Lennox Lewis vs. Evander Holyfield I

It did'nt cost boxing one iota of a fan......boxing knows that the boxing observer has become callous to the fact that they are corrupt and hand out bad decisions.....

I just shake my head in disbelief whenever someone says that an occurence in boxing is a black eye for the sport.
The sport has already been through the meat grinder throughout history and there are no more eyes to blacken!

If you want to enjoy the sport, do it with the knowleadge that a bogus decision can turn up at anytime.
Even voice your displeasure if you wish in a forum like this......

......but believe me, the body of boxing is so corrupt all the way down to its core, that there is no such thing as a black eye for the sport.

 

I understand your viewpoint, but can't agree regarding the "Casual" boxing fan I was mentioning. I've had too many conversations with casual fans to share your opinion. Everytime something ridiculous happens, more people are turned off. New fans come to boxing all the time, that don't know the WBC from the WWE. Robberies like this without Stone Cold Steve Austin or Roddy Piper cost credibility all over again.

I do agree that boxing has had many shameful events occur, but there are many nails left before the boxing coffin is closed.

Close to home, I can tell you several friends of mine and father-in-law essentially now refuse to take a part in any PPV expenses. The Holyfield-Lewis I fight definitely contributed to this.

Every high profile botched decision costs revenue. Perhaps not in huge amounts, but it costs casual fans. Hardcore, long term fans know the score and don't care (they hardly expect otherwise these days!).

I guess the real question is, when will something be done to clean-up boxing even a little bit.

 

I can vouch for that point about boxing losing "casual" fans because of this. I know at least two who used to buy the big PPV events and anything involving Tyson. They stopped after this fight and say the decision and all it implied was the reason.

Also, my uncle said he was through with boxing after the Tyson-Holy II fiasco but was going to give the sport one last chance with Lewis vs Holyfield. Needless to say he hasn't bought a PPV since.

 

Thats just it, boxing always has been, and always will be corrupt.

Corruption does'nt even start at the pro level.....its rampant in the amatuers as well......

.....and I dont agree with your premise that this corruption drives the casual fan away.....if anything, it drives them in......

How well did Tyson-Lewis do at the box office?????
Even advertising that fight as if it were between a prime Tyson was corrupt......yet is was huge at the box office.

....can I mention the circus act that will take place on Dec 6 between DLH and Pac......a complete mismatch of a fight, yet its being sold to us as if the weight disparity between the two will have no bearing in the fight.
......its the casual fight that eats all that slime up.....it is because of them that alot of these bogus matchups are made.

Sorry my friend, but its the casual fan that is easily decieved, and the powers in boxing know this.....thus the reason to the extent that boxing goes as far as they do when we're talking about these bogus decisions.....more often than not, the casual fan has no idea they've been dry humped, unless someone from the broadcast points it out to them.......and even then, there are instances where the fight is on the up and up, but because the broadcast crew has an agenda to follow to keep their station afloat, they invent and paint a verbal illusion that their house fighter has been robbed, and guess what? The casual fan gobbles it all up as if it were apple pie!

The casual fan does'nt really learn whats really on the up and up, until its too late......he's become addicted to just watching the mastery of the sport in its pure form between two fighters in the actual ring, that its too late to turn back and allow himself not to watch a sport that by then he's well alert is corrupt in every way but in its beauty inside the ring.

 

http://www.allbusiness.com/services/motion-pictures/4811984-1.html

So I guess you disagree with the last two paragraphs?

We'll have to agree to disagree! Anyway, it was fun comparing notes, I was in the mood for something better than 1 line posting today!

 

Whats your point?

You dont take into consideration that the fans did'nt but the PPV because both fighters turned in a stinko of a performance.

I guarantee you that even with the controversy, had the fight been an exciting one where both fighters actually threw leather....there would have been an increase in the PPV sales.

This article lays it all on the controversy of a bogus decision for the reason that the rematch did'nt exceed the first match in PPV sales.

If you use common sense, you come to the conclusion that fans dont want to see a repeat of a stinko of a matchup.

The fighters did'nt entertain my friends, thats why the PPV sales dropped.

Who here thinks that a third match between Holyfield and Tyson soon after the bite incident would'nt have turned up big numbers???

Of course it would have turned up big numbers.....controversy sells, as long as the fighters are entertaining us with their in-ring performance!

 

Controversy can sell (i.e. ear biting -- Holyfield / Tyson 3 would have intrigued people), unpopular / bogus /corrupt decisions don't sell. PPV numbers are clear.

Lewis dominated Holyfield and should have won. His next fight would have been huge. Instead, the bogus decision made more fans stop caring about the marquee title in boxing, the HW. The fight was NOT the problem, the decision was.

That's why most people today can't even name any HW champion.

Casual fans are leaving boxing due to disappointing fights, expensive PPVs, infrequent fights, too many "champions" and corrupt decisions. The fact that the HW division has disappointed is the primary reason for the casual fan to switch to MMA.

 

Big numbers in his next fight, against who?:rofl :rofl :rofl

Exept for Holyfield and Tyson, I dont believe Lewis was even in a PPV aside from those two bonafide PPV stars.

Here in the US, twice with Holyfield, and once with Tyson, is about the extent of Lewis PPV career.

Had Lewis rightfully won that first Holyfield match, there's no doubt in my mind that the rematch would have done about the same numbers that it actually did with the controversy.

Lets be real here, the fight stunk. Lewis chose to play it cautious, and the fans always remember that when that same fighter is on another PPV, especially when its against the same fighter.

 

The thing is with boxing today

when Ali waxs champ he was the most recogniseable face on the planet and that is a fact.

When tyson was champ everybody knew who he was

When Lewis and holy were champs everyone knew who they were

The other week i was talking to some friends (casual boxing fans) about vitali-peter fight asking if they were going to watch the fight.

Guess what they said "Sam who ?" atsch

So i tired a little more digging and most people on the street haven't heard of chageav, valuev either.

Ok most people have heard of the klitschkos, but it just shows how much boxing has diminished when people don't instantly recognise the name of the/ or a heavyweight champion of the world :verysad

 

Well some people here are just biased. These were certainly Lewis haters.

Unobjectivity is very common here. There are some Lewis, Haye and Klitschko fanatics around here.

Even if I do not like certain fighters (like Mayweather, Haye...), I still respect what they have accomplished.

 

What are you saying, that the body knows if it's a world class fighter or a journeyman, and based on that "decides" to go knockout? Ayala (it was him, not Gevor) has a rock hard chin, had never been down before and took a shitload of punishment, but was well in the fight untill one uppercut completely destroyed him.

I can't see how you can close your eyes for all the instances when fighters have been hurt or knocked out by uppercuts. The journeyman argument doesn't make any sense at all. A Journeyman like Marion Wilson or a fringe contender like Mavrovic have never been stopped, how is that possible? And a world class fighter like Tommy Morrison (you'll probably say he's not world class, but he was ranked in the ring world top10 several years) was knocked down by jabs.

You think body physics are different for journeymen than for top fighters that prevent them from getting hurt by uppercuts?


Oh and ask McClellan's brain how much it liked those final uppercuts against Benn.

 

No, numbnuts! I don't know how you can even read that interpretation into what I said?!?!?
The body doesn't "realize" whether it's a world class fighter or a journeyman.

It's a simple, self-evident fact that a world class fighter can dish out and take better shots than a journeyman. It's kinda the whole reason why they actually are considered world class or a journeyman.... :roll:
Remind me - how many world class fighters has Marion Wilson fought? :think
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You gave two examples, NEITHER OF WHICH WERE ONE-PUNCH UPPERCUT KO's!

Learn to read - I didn't say that an uppercut doesn't hurt, I just said that it wasn't USUALLY a KO punch by itself. Damn, people! :verysad

 

18 votes for Holyfield? How many kids has he got?

 

Nine.

Plus Holy and his brother, plus Zakman, plus Shamrock.

That still leaves 5 mystery voters... :think

 

lennox lewis clearly won that fight