Lennox Lewis vs Jack Dempsey

Of course you made a typo.

And pink elephants only fly on Sunday's.

:rofl

 

There is a train of thought that believes America might have served the world better if they stuck to manufacturing bullets for other people to fire rather than pick up the weapons themselves.

 

Sundays, not Sunday's. There is no reason for the possessive in your statement.

 

Dempsey has a chance and it goes up if Lewis' ego gets in the way.

JD had excellent speed, two handed power, and enough reach 77" to worry Lewis. In addition Dempsey was often at his best vs. bigger opponents.

Lewis would not be facing a Tua like opponent who gassed and predictable.

I think Dempsey forces Lewis to fight back. I'd go with Lewis because he's very skilled and has 50 pounds on Dempsey, but it would not shock me if Dempsey landed a " lottery punch " in other words a clean punch that took Lewis out.

 

I read the heavier action was on the Eastern front. Two all time bad guys, Hitler and Stalin went at it. Hitler had the better weaponry. Stalin had more men.

If Hitler had not invaded Russia, World War II might have ended as costly draw. Hitler's bone headed decision to invade Russia forced Germany into a two front war on their boarders. The Western Allies sat back and let two of their enemies eliminate each other.

Had Japan not bombed Pearl Harbor, the USA might have stayed out a while longer. Britain was close to collapse.

Thank god we had better leaders who let the military make the major decisions, not some crazed dictator or emperor with backward thinking going against the advice of the generals.

 

is it prime Dempsey?

no drunk way past his prime Dempsey :yep

ok sorry, I am being a goof,

i think Lewis is too big, too strong, too athletic, too skilled to beat Dempsey, pound for pound Dempsey could kill him.

Don't get me wrong, i think it would be cool if Dempsey could take him out, plus anything is possible, i don't claim to be 100% correct or even 50%, lol, i simply would be surprised if Dempsey could get past Lewis's jab and long range power punches.

 

I doubt it the Soviets just had too many numbers that they were happy to sacrifice. Even if GErmany took Moscow, the Soviets would have regrouped

The Germans couldn't make a land invasion without air and naval superiority over Britain, something they never managed.

Hitler didn't actually want a war with Britain or American, it wanted to colonise Easter Europe/Russia. There's also the possibility that Russia would always have gone to war with Germany anyway.

 

what the hell are you talking about this inside this thread?

lmao, in my opinion Hitler went INSANE with paranoia after the Battle of Brit, he began second guessing all his top leaders and from that point forwards essentially took away all of their ability to give him logical, good guidance. THANKFULLY.

I am not pro Hitler/Germany as it relates to the 2nd world war, however, the forces they put together were awesome. Shockingly awesome. I often think that looking back with different leadership they should of defeated Britain and Russia and who knows what would of happened after that. Germany simply needed to keep pretending they were friends with Russia for as long as possible. It was as if they got ****y to the point they stopped making good decisions and suddenly fell to pieces making horrible decisions. Why the hell would you attack two fronts? Sure they needed Russian oil. All the more reason to go after it with all their forces after they secured the last piece of the Western front. Splitting their forces before Britain was secured to this day makes no sense. Well it is a decision created from a dictator type of leader who's leaders can no longer reason with him. Britain gave Hitler his first black eye of the war and Hitler responded by splitting his forces to keep fighting her. It was the worst decision ever but also the best.

 

Arguable. The Soviets pulled a miracle moving their factories east of Urals but if the Krauts had taken Moscow, Hitler could have immediately sued for peace and gotten a lot of what he wanted... which was Ukraine and the oil fields in the South... Of course, even that notion presumes that Adolph had any grip on reality.

Agreed. The Germans were basically waging a terrorist war against England. They had a chance to do some real damage at Dunkirk but let it slip. Let's just thank Christ, Allah and Yahweh they never got the technology to separate 235 from 238...

 

German lost the war for three basic reasons.

1. First the reneged on their pact with the Soviet's not to engage them.

2. Secondly, and this is the key, when they did engage them they weren't prepared for the winters of the Soviet Union; countless soldier's froze to death, and their tanks either bogged down, run out of gas, or simply couldn't function properly.

3. And lastly they bombed the **** out of London, but had they also invaded, they likely would have won and the West wouldn't have had a launching point in which to conduct the Normandy invasion.

But they're all connected, the decision to attack the Soviet union, forced the German's to fight on two fronts instead of one, thereby weakening their western front. And the cold weather fiasco was just Hitler being a complete idiot, because he wouldn't let them retreat, which would have been the common sense thing to do.

 

Ali, Wlad, Pep, Monzon, Hagler and Benny Leonard plus Ross and Arguello didn't fight many bigger men if at all did they?

Why because he was inactive? ****ey had been more active than Willard

It's still 1 of the biggest weight disparity wins on record and a wins a win. By your criteria it's a huge win.

In which case you can't logically have Ali, Wlad, Pep, Monzon, Hagler and Benny Leonard on your P4P lists.

So an early KO is a prerequsite to P4P rankings now Well Miske beat Fulton as easily for one. You seem to keep forgetting that.

Plus Fulton was only 20lbs heavier than Dempsey and Willard was probably at his best around 230 or 235 and was old and out of shape.

Are you making a case to the P4P weakness of Willard or the P4P strength of Dempsey :huh

Archie Moore beat a few bigger guys like Valdes and Baker. Charles and Marciano were 30lbs lighter than Louis.

 

Sunday's is the plural of Sunday, in the context it in which it was used by myself, and as such can warrant an apostrophe.

 

It was never Hitlers intention to invade Britain. It was us who declared war on him. Even after Dunkirk he sued for peace, as he did on other occasions, each one refused. The man wanted us as allies, due to his admiration of the British Empire, and indeed all things British. There were plenty high up in the British ruling classes that were all for such a pact.

However, that discussion is for another time and another place.

 

I agree, this really isn't the forum to discuss this topic. But it does amaze me how much a factor the weather played into the outcome, particularly in the Soviet Union. As far as Britain goes, I don't think it makes a ton of sense to bomb those you admire, but hey what do I know?