Lennox Lewis vs Jack Dempsey

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  1. PowerPuncher

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    I wrote a reply to this and my crashed :-(

    Anyway The Germans certainly could have wiped out the remaining British Troops at Dunkirk but they thought it risky and perhaps they wanted peace. Although many historians also thin Hitler was indecisive and this is the likely reason for not capitalising on the situation.

    Even if the Germans wipe out the remaining British troops do they get naval and aerial superiority to invade? They may manage it but the key error was bombing the cities when they should have aimed for the airfields.

    Ofcourse Germany got somewhat lucky with The Battle of France with their risky Manstein Plan, which could have seen their tanks bogged down in unfriendly terrain if the weather went against them. If that had happened WW2 could have been over pretty early with Britain and France conquering Germany.
     
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    You should attempt an English literacy class as you seem unable to form a grammatically correct sentence.

    I'm not going to discuss history with you because the dynamics are clearly too complex for you to understand. But best of luck to you as I'm sure you struggle with life.
     
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    It helped allot but it doesn't mean that Germany would have won without it, this is key.

    If the UK transformed to a total war economy and sourced loans from other donors that the UK still would almost certainly have held off an invasion.

    Germany crossing the English Chanel for an invasion is a very difficult military operation.

    They did but historians generally agree that they would have won the war's turning point in Stalingrad without the lend lease.
     
  4. Foxy 01

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    As stated before it was NEVER Hitler's intention to invade Britain, and I believe the reason he didn't allow the Luftwaffe to obliterate our troops at Dunkirk was ( as silly as it sounds ) and act of good faith to show that fact.

    Hitler actually wanted Britain as an ally in his plans for world dominance, ( financial, technological, and industrial ) and for me the most disturbing part is if he hadn't made clear his policy of exterminating Jewish people Britain just might have gone along with it.
     
  5. mcvey

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    Prior to entering the war the US made a hell of a lot of money out of both sides,and many big industrial magnates such as Henry Ford and the Uk Ambassador Joe Kennedy were pro Germany, we were still paying the US back for Lend Lease up till 2 years ago. Let's be honest the US would not have entered the war if Pearl Harbour had not happened .I wonder what Hitler's reaction was to the news? We would not have won the war without you , but let's be realistic you would not have come in if you had not been forced to.And Im not saying that wasn't an entirely reasonable stance to take.Wilson pioneered Isolationism and America was happy to embrace it in the 20' and 30's . Fact is the casualties aside, the only winner out of WW2 was the US.
     
  6. janitor

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    I think that Hitler planned to deal with Britain eventually, he just didn't want to do it until around 1947. He had planned a massive naval construction plan, to commence after he had concluded his business on the continent, and there are no prizes for guessing who it was aimed at.
     
  7. Foxy 01

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    If by deal with you mean invade and over run you couldn't be more wrong. There is a plethora of literature available ( though NOT highly promoted ) regarding British power brokers connections to their German counterparts ( not least some of Churchill's inner circle ) who were highly sympathetic to the principle of Nazism. As I said it was the extermination policy they couldn't be SEEN to endorse.

    I think we all know that war is not about the millions who eventually get dragged into it. Rather it is about the relative few that hold the power, and the propaganda they can create to get their citizens to go along with them.

    There is good reason to believe if Hitler and his henchmen had come up with a more sensible, and humane way ( forced exile to some captured part of Eastern Europe for instance ) to deal with Jews Britain might well have been part of the Axis, after all it was long before the war that Hitler started spouting his anti semitic beliefs and intentions, and Britain didn't have much to say then.
     
  8. Foxy 01

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    I think you need to read up on " reverse lend lease ", and why don't you mouth off about the British ambulances that were desperately needed by you, as loud as you mouth off about your poxy jeeps?
     
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    You would need plenty of pages.
     
  10. Foxy 01

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    I've been reading some of Paul Theroux's books and in the Ghost Train of The Great Eastern Star ( 2008 ) he mentions the millions of " civilians " killed by the US army in Vietnam. Not to mention more bombs were used in that war than ALL sides used in total in WW2.

    Surely that must count as some kind of atrocity.
     
  11. mcvey

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    Oliver Stone's History of America is a great documentary series.
     
  12. mcvey

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    The British Navy was the reason Germany never attempted a sea invasion.That and the fact Goering assured Hitler he could bring England to its knees with the Luftwaffe.
     
  13. janitor

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    I don't know if he wanted to invade and overrun Britain, but he certainly wanted to get his hands on Britain's Empire, and he would have always come to blows with Britain eventually.
     
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    If the Germans had put an invasion fleet together, the Royal Navy would simply have sunk it.

    Also, although it was overshadowed by the Alied losses in Europe, Germany had suffered a major naval defeat at Narvik, loosing approximately half of her surface combatants.

    Put all this together, and he had a lot of work to do before an invasion was possible.
     
  15. Foxy 01

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    I don't know so much. The British Empire was the one thing Hitler admired about the British more than anything else. Not only the way in which they built it but the way in which they controlled it for so long. Hence the reason he would always want them onside, as opposed to being against him.

    I really think you should do more research on what a treacherous bunch the British aristocracy could be. Even as recently as the 30's and 40's they wielded the real power in Britain, don't worry about that.