Lennox Lewis vs Jack Dempsey

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I understand well enough what a treacherous bunch the British aristocracy could be.

    What you might want to look at is Plan Z.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Plan_Z

    What this tells me, is that Hitler expected a showdown with Britain eventually!
     
  2. PowerPuncher

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    You can state it as many times as you want, you'd still be wrong.

    I'm not sure why you think Britain's decision to goto war with Germany was anything to do with the Holocaust. It wasn't and the final solution wasn't even happening or clearly planned at this stage. The decision to goto war with Germany was due to Germany's plans to invade Poland an ally. Germany signed a peace treaty to state she wouldn't enter Poland and did anyway.

    Also yes certain politicians such as Lord Halifax wanted to apeace the Germans. This doesn't mean they wanted an alliance with them. It meant they thought Germany was too strong and Britain could lose to GErmany in the event of war. All of the British Diplomats of the time considered the Nazi Party Members as psychotic thugs, well before war broke out.

    Germany may have initially wanted peace with Britain in order to focus on the east but it doesn't mean they wouldn't have moved the attention to the west once they beat the Soviets. After war broke out with Britain they did want to conquer Britain and invasion plans are well documented.

    As Janitor mentioned you don't build masses of warships and submarines if you're only wanting a land war. You also don't carry out The Battle of Britain if you don't really want to invade.
     
  3. VVMM

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    The Lewis-McCall 1,Lewis-Rahman 1,Lewis-Bruno (Bruno could ouland Lewis without problem,Lewis- fat Mercer,Lewis-unprepared,bloody faced Vitali Klitschko,Lewis-Akinwande(practically Lewis was down and the referee saved Lewis from
    the torture) fights proved this.
    The glass-chinned Lewis was very difficult thing like every
    vulnerable fighter.
     
  4. Seamus

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    This doesn't explain Churchill's Crimes Against Humanity.
     
  5. VVMM

    VVMM Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What about Stalin's crime ? Somehow this is underrated nowadays.
    Nice genocide from USSR.Enjoy if you can !
     
  6. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Which one? The Ukraine winter starvation, the continued collectivization, the Great Purge? Be specific... or does he get an award for career achievement?
     
  7. Foxy 01

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    Jesus Christ, can't you or Janitor read, or are you simply unable to comprehend what you read?

    I'll let you into a secret ( that wasn't ) the British Fleet was the biggest and most powerful in Europe if not the World at the time. Hitler wanted to match or surpass that capability. There is nothing there to say he INTENDED to do battle with the Royal Navy, only that if it happened Germany wouldn't be guaranteed to lose.

    You know a bit like your Yanks with the Russians and their d**k measuring contest. Who could have the biggest bomb, otherwise known as the cold war.


    Now Google " commerce war " and see how futile that idea would have been anyway on an age of the atomic bomb.

    As for the Holocaust, wtf has that got to do with anything.

    Hitlers rhetoric in the early - mid 30's was Jews were subhuman parasites directly responsible for all of Germany's economic problems. They were forced to wear yellow stars had there properties and business confiscated ( stolen ) from them, as they were, and did in every country he invaded, and it was no secret he sent them away to camps, and no one cared, not Britain or anyone.

    The Holocaust policy came to light later.

    Similarly you can say all you like that Hitler intended to invade Britain' but there is not one shred of evidence to support such sh it. There is ample evidence to prove he didn't when the opportunity was there.
     
  8. Foxy 01

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    Could you try writing this again, in a language humans could possibly understand?
     
  9. PowerPuncher

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    Just because you personally don't believe the reason for building a huge naxy was to fight Britain when it was actually fighting Britain at the time doesn't make it so.


    Your claim was:

    Which was wrong. Strategically Britain didn't want a Austro-German pact dominating Europe in WW1 and nothing had changed and hence made a pact with Poland.

    Other than the massively detailed invasion plans that are historically recorded?

    Have a read:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea_Lion

    Note nearly all historians state that an invasion would not be possible without Germany air and sea dominance because any invading ships would be merely shot out of the water. This was never achieved by the Germans.

    This SS Books shows an incredible level of research and how they actually planned on ruling Britain, including plans to send their kids to Eton and the identification of left wing writers and Jews to imprison:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-gives-blueprint-for-nazi-britain-724121.html
     
  10. mr. magoo

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    Except Lennox Lewis was never stopped by a left hook and rarely even troubled by those who made their living throwing them..
     
  11. Foxy 01

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    This from the introduction to your source.

    The romantics, and idiots are those gullible enough to believe the Boy's Own style nonsense which suggests this shared world domination with the British existed solely in Hitler's mind.

    You quote SS officers looking to send their kids to Eton. Doesn't it occur to you that if the Nazi's invaded Britain and took control they could do what the fukk they liked with Eton, never mind make "plans " to get their kids educated there.

    I'm really not interested in the rest of the points in your post, as they are merely " official " post war inquiry articles designed to make the victors fine upstanding characters, of great moral fortitude.

    Suffice to say again Britain was COMPLETELY at the mercy of the Germans at the time of Dunkirk, but they chose to do nothing.

    If you prefer to believe the comic strip version of the good old Brylcreem boys, and the Navy would have " seen off the Bosch " then crack on.
     
  12. Vanboxingfan

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  13. janitor

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    Come on now.

    Do you really think that Hitler was going to allow this island nation, 21 miles of the coast of his continental empire, to retain control of a quarter of the globe?

    He was building a navy because he knew that he would ultimately have to fight Britain.

    Once he had secured his position in Europe, it would only have been a matter of time before he cast envious eyes on the British Empire.
     
  14. Seamus

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    Neither Pomeranians nor Prussians, Bavarians nor those from Sudetenland were a naval breed. Thus their lack of substantial colonies. They were very late to that game... long after the Brits had brought ruthless, bloody and unmerciful hegemony to half the globe.

    The Krauts tried to build a naval power in the very early 20th century but quit after realizing it was hopeless to compete with the soulless Anglos. Still, the Anglos used that improvement in naval capabilities as a pretext to foment the Great War.
     
  15. janitor

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    I think that Germany clearly wanted an overseas empire, before the first world war. I think that this is what their naval construction program was aimed at, and possibly also their reason for declaring war on France. They might have hoped to defeat France as they did in the Franco Prussian war, and force her at the point of a sword to sign over her overseas possessions.