Lennox Lewis vs Jack Dempsey

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  1. mcvey

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    Surely its obvious I meant what was Hitler's reaction to Japan's attack which he knew would then bring the US into the war, presumably prematurely as far as he was concerned.

    He could hardly not declare war on the States after his ally had attacked it could he? Do you wait for me to post?:patsch
     
  2. janitor

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  3. Vanboxingfan

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    Wouldn't say he's the best in history but he was up there. One way to look at his record is to think what would it have been had he not been hit with those two punches. He would have been undefeated. And as far as his career being well crafted. It was Bowe who clearly ducked him, and Tyson also ducked him.
     
  4. edward morbius

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    "He could hardly not declare war on the States after his ally had attacked it could he?"

    Well, you are disagreeing with my old professor. No sin in that, but he pointed out that Japan had not declared war on the Soviet Union when Hitler attacked her, so Hitler wouldn't have been doing anything Japan hadn't already done.

    He also pointed out--

    1----since when did a treaty mean anything to Hitler?

    2----if he played it shrewd and stayed out of the US-Japan thing, it would have put Roosevelt in a box. He would have had to have convinced the American people that while we were attacked by Japan, we should really go to war with Germany, which if Hitler stayed neutral would have just gone on record as not supporting Japan's move.

    3----so my professor concluded that Hitler blew it. Roosevelt might have made a power politics case for fighting Germany rather than Japan, but the American public would have emotionally always been strongly in favor of fighting Japan. But Hitler took FDR off the hook so our military had no trouble focusing most of our resources on defeating Germany first for strategic reasons.

    Not really on boxing, though.

    *and I'm not trying to pick on you, but you happened to touch on a subject which is of interest to American historians. There was a fierce attack by critics accusing Roosevelt of manipulating Japan into attacking the US as a "back door to war" with Germany. That this might not have brought us automatically into war with Germany is a very important point.

    I don't expect this to be of nearly the same interest to British folks.
     
  5. janitor

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    It is to me.
     
  6. edward morbius

    edward morbius Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Why England Slept"

    was mainly ghosted by Arthur Krock of the New York Times. It was an expansion of Kennedy's senior thesis at Harvard.

    "Profiles in Courage"

    was ghosted by Ted Sorensen, based on chapter outlines by a number of historians.
     
  7. mcvey

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    There is a deal of speculation in the UK that we had prior knowledge of Japan's intentions regarding Pearl Harbour but deliberately chose not to disclose them to the US so as to hasten the States entry into the War.That may be a trifle too neat for credibility but it is an argument that has persisted here for some years .
    I'm interested in history but do not claim any knowledge of it that the average man in the street does not have. I found Oliver Stone's series on American History fascinating.:good
     
  8. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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