Lennox Lewis vs Jack Dempsey

Oh noooooo ya don't! Holyfield beat Bowe at 217 yet lost conclusively when at 205. Lets keep it correct.

 

Yes, but most of the examples you used bulked up, often over two or even three stones. Holyfield for example was clearly battered by a bigger, stronger man in the first Bowe fight. He added some poundage before the rematch and didn't trade anywhere near as often 2nd time around.


ps. Not one is disputing Spinks or Jones' victory. Crafty spoilers or intuitive speedsters are always the best fighters to overcome a weight disparity.

 

I will bet you $20 that janitor deep down believes that past techniques have been lost and fighters from the 20's were actually more technically adept than those of anytime forward of the 40's.

I am tearing pages trying to find my article on Tunney bringing boxing forward in some ways. Tho i was a bit slow to catch on why the thought horrified Jan i now stand with perfect clarity.

 

Ok, but to counter that Bowe went from 235lb to 246lb in the rematch! so Bowe was 11lb heavier too!


Also didnt 205lb Holy eat alot of leather from superheavyweight bowe and keep coming back, nearly taking the exhausted bowe out at the end of round 10?

 

Might I suggest that the smaller heavyweights have disapeared simply because even a former middleweight like Chris Byrd can bulk up to 210 lbs.

The smaller heavyweights havnt disapeared they are just bulking up.

As for me being a small squat man, I am actualy seven feet tall, have a body like Ken Norton and long golden hair flowing down to my shoulders.

 

Ok MDWC, so Take a 6'0 195lb more Modern style boxer like jersey joe Walcott or Floyd Patterson. Your saying if these guys add poundage to say 217lb.....They have a good chance at using there speed and skills to outbox some of the skilled superheavyweights?

 

You will be retaining your $20 sir.

 

Yes, but Bowe was heavier due to fat. The point is, Evander's team went back to the drawing board and realised that the extra weight would be to his advantage, without any prior knowledge of what condition Bowe would be in.

 

If he was knocking out top fighters we have to regard him as still being dangerous.

 

Well from 1940s on I defintley notice a strong change in boxing technique.

For example the Basic things you are taught at the gym today Gloves up high, throwing Straight punches, head movement, Defensive techniques, rythmic footwork, started being shown on film in the 1940s by fighters like Louis, charles, walcott, moore, bivins, robinson, ike williams, sandy saddler, willie pep, etc etc


Pre 1940 fighters tend to keep there hands very low, threw alot more wide loopy punches, didnt have as much movement(did a lot more feinting), didnt move there head, and didnt have quite the same artistic footwork shown today. pre 1940s you didnt see many fighters with elegent sharp A level jabs like guys like harold johnson, bob foster, Zora Folley, louis, liston, Jersey Joe post 1940

 

Yes. Chin could be a factor in Patterson's case of course.

 

Why do you think they need to bulk up when 90% of your supporters think they can beat all these guys at 190?

Look bro - Spinks beat a terrible version of Larry Holmes and was freaking SMASHED the first time he fought a top heavyweight on their game. Holmes beat him the second time for the record. He caught an overconfident obnoxious Holmes off guard. Again Spinks did not dominate the division. An odd anomoly with definable reason is not going to cut the mustard here.

Champion of wot? Two things - the man beat bugger all and held one title in a multi title era - and he also weighed about 215 regardless!

And he weighed 233!!!! Don't you get it?

And what else did he do at heavyweight?

Compared to a Lewis etc he is shyte.

 

Especially if he's never actually seen them fight. They're the ones he rates with the best skills.

 

no doubt, but Buddy Baer was certainly a major step up from jess willard and primo carnera. I think he compares to Gerry Cooney in a lot of ways if you watch the film, and he had that dynamite left hook.

 

Already expected. Bowes 11 pounds was useless fat and if anything went against him. 235 vs 246 with 11 of fat wasn't going to mean much to a Holy that had added 10 of real muscle, steroid aided i have no idea

Operative word being "nearly", and i also don't rate Bowe with the Lewis', Ali's, Foreman's etc.