Lennox Lewis vs Jack Dempsey

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  1. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    exactly. Most , infact nearly every hostorian from the time thought Willard was unskilled, hardly Dempseys fault. He just came to win the title
     
  2. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    and secondly people knew about Willards age, and that he had been inactive for years through newspaper reports.
     
  3. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    The point I have made is that the best finishers of all time have tended to be short if not necisarily light for heavyweights. Often both.

    Now you have to ask why.
     
  4. JohnThomas1

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    :lol:

    Jenny Lewis
     
  5. Holmes' Jab

    Holmes' Jab Master Jabber Full Member

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    ... of Rilo Kiley fame? Very nice indeed, good band too. :good



    Ps: As I'm in work at the mo have got avatars hiden btw. :lol:
     
  6. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    That's the girl ;)

    Damn, hidden avatars! That means you can't see McGrain's rare pic of Greb-Tunney, or janitors GIF of SRR-Gavilan

    :yikes
     
  7. Holmes' Jab

    Holmes' Jab Master Jabber Full Member

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    Yeah I know, it's not that though. Everytime my boss (a lady) passed my desk I'd have a heart attack if the pics of scantily clad or nude female lovelies were in full view, if ya get my point (as nice as those pics are). ;) :D
     
  8. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Yeah, i helped Ezzard a bit back finding the avatar option for the same reasons :lol:
     
  9. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Nope, the hardest punchers in history as i showed were almost all over 200 pounds, and you know just as well as i do that that's not a statistical anomoly.
     
  10. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Dempsey's a great finisher, after six knockdowns. But that seventh time.....ooh, there's never been anybody better.
     
  11. MGUNZ48

    MGUNZ48 MGunz Full Member

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    While tall stand up guys were Dempseys meat. I think Lewis's jab is the key here, not his size. Dempsey can not win if he can't get around Lewis's jab. If he can slip it, roll under it he will KO Lewis as soon as he can put a few hard shots together. If not, he will get beat down and probably stopped late in the fight.
     
  12. janitor

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    The hardest punchers yes but not necisarily the best finishers.

    Why are the best finishers in history typicaly under 6' 1''?

    why are the best punching packages generaly not big heavyweights?

    You have to ask these questions.
     
  13. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Firstly, Not true Lennox Lewis, Wlad Klitchko and Foreman, were super heavies and 3 of the most deadly finnishers in the last 30-40years

    But in answer to your question:

    Big HWs don't need to go for the KO to win, they can win a fight from the outside without taking risks because of their height and reach advantage. Small HWs need to go for the KO because.

    Also Big HWs are rarer, there are more 6'0 men than 6'5 men so it is more likely a 6'0 man will be a bigger
     
  14. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Before we ask anything let's start by defining "best finishers" Is someone like Tyson who hurts a fighter than goes after him to finish the job (this is only an example, to make a point, I realize Tyson could often take a fighter out with one punch also), a better finisher than Wlad who simply KO's his fighter often with one punch? Or Foreman who took Moorer out with one punch? What's your defination of a finishers? How about Vitali's KO record, is he a finisher? He seems to get the job done if nothing else. Lewis seems plenty able to finish Grant, Golota, Rahman, Ruddock and several others when he landed.

    So in this context who is and isn't a finisher? What about Holyfield?, he seems to fall into your arbitary height limit of what a finisher is suppose to be, was he a finisher in your eyes? What about a fighter who's a hit and miss type of finisher..ie Sanders, is he a finisher?

    And after the definition of a finishers has been answered, you'd have to find away to put who is a finisher in some kind of context.

    For example if there have been 500 heavyweights over 6' 1" and 10 rank as great finishers that's 2%, now how many fighters have been under 6'1" say 5000 and maybe 15 are finishers, well that's about .3%.

    So in this example, statistically those over 6'1" would be better finishers, even if less of them are deemed finishers in your eyes.
     
  15. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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