Lennox Lewis vs Jack Dempsey

Dose that include my mother towards me after me and my dad shared a few spliffs and she found him flat out in the middle of the kitchen?

 

We do not know that he was the hardest puncher in history. This is all speculation and an opinion at the end of the day.

Newton's 2nd law of motion, all other things being equal, suggests that the greater the mass, the greater the force on an object. Which basically equates to 'bigger is better' when we're talking about punching power, all other things being equal. Of course, all other things being equal simply does not apply in boxing but generally a bigger man will punch harder than a smaller man. If we apply this to the fact that humans in general are growing larger generation on generation and couple that with modern nutrition, training methods and yes naughty stuff like steriods and HGH then heavyweights in the last 15 years are bigger than before and certainly stronger than before.

Basically there is no evidence that Shavers punches harder than Lewis or vice versa. What we can say is both were powerful punchers with Shavers being heavier handed and Lewis being a 'cleaner' puncher. However, there is scientific evidence that the mass of an object has a big influence on the force of an object. Which basically means that it's likely, but not certain, that Lewis punched harder than Dempsey. Lewis really has HUGE physical advantages in his favour:

1. Greater mass
2. Greater strength
3. Greater reach
4. Greater leverage

That's without going into styles, technical skills or any of the intangibles. Dempsey can only win this fight if Lewis allows him to. Which is the same as saying that Lewis should win and probably early. Given that Lewis was only stopped twice in a 14 year career against many many big punchers does not give Dempsey much of a statistical chance of winning inside the distance either. That really is his only chance to win and it's not even that much of a chance.

 

That's your opinion, not a fact. Velocity on punches counts for a lot, and the bigger heavies often lack it.

 

Hold on. If Lewis is better cause of size, but Carpentier and Tunney hurt Dempsey more than bigger ighters, that's a contradiction.

Joe Louis was stunned by Conn 169 pounds, but was not ko's by 240 + pound guys he fought. Ali was down against lightheavies like Sonny Banks and hurt by Doug Jones and Henry Copper. (especially Cooper) But Norton could not ko him.

 

Lewis would have murdered Dempsey. If the fight happened in the United States, when Lewis hit him on the chin, Dempsey would have ended up in another country.

 

Ali was a mere boy when he fought Banks, he was a much bigger 'man' when he fought Norton too, still very young when he fought Cooper. It's no coincidence that Ali as a bigger, stronger man in the 1970s was able to absorb more punishment. But that's not saying it's impossible to put him down mind. The light guys, being so much quicker, were also able to hit him more unexpectedly. It's not so hard to avoid the best punches of Buster Mathis and the like.

 

Yes, I totally agree. Lewis is not one of these though,

 

I think there was a huge increase in the Ali chin with size. This may not be the greatest revelation that has ever been typed, but Ali's ability to take a punch did increase as he got a little bigger.

Of course he could still be floored by some.... It's kinda like Marciano flooring Valuev, MDWC Don't crab at me too much for that one

 

It's true though. Even in 67 he looks a much much bigger specimen than in 62. Far more muscular. He looked quite skinny early on. He's barely a 'man' when he fought Banks and Cooper.

 

One of the few things I'll grant regarding a larger size is an increase in an ability to take a punch. Ali pretty much demonstrated that one.

 

A good example is Tommy Hearns. He did actually take his punch up with him in many respects, but the effect on his opponents was diminishing all the time. The fighters at 160 were able to take far more than at 147 and 154.

 

To be honest, and I suppose this will catch some criticism from some, I never followed Hearns all that much as he moved up in weight. I never cared much for him at lower weights, although he had a great punch.... and I'm not trying to start an argument.

I'll accept your word as gospel regarding what happened later, MDWC, as I didn't follow the career much.

 

I think you might catch some (Roberta) flak there mate. I thought everyone liked tommy. :shock:

 

Dempsey would have a difficult time avoiding Lennox's shots.