Lennox Lewis vs Jack Dempsey

So we have two excusses to none now, is that the way this game is played?

Lewis wasn't acclimatized for the fight. Does that excuss count too?

 

Reading this debating has been great - keep it up guys!! Janitor has been owning everyone so far hahaha - go Janitor!! Seriously good arguments going both ways but janitor is schooling everyone here

 

Lennox had the firepower to get it done. Dempsey is in with a good chance, but I think Lewis does his damage first.

 

The reason we don't see 200lb men at HW is largely due to two things. Firstly is the attitude that you hold which is the most prevelant among people in boxing. Fighters don't think they can, promoters don't want them to, public doesn't regard them as 'true HW's" so most of them just don't attempt it. Just because the examples for the last 25 years are scarce doesn't mean there aren't examples and doesn't mean that it couldn't be done if these guys tried. Secondly things are more regulated, CW's fighting HW's are possible but gone are the days a 165 or 175lb man can take on the HW Champ.

Byrd, Toney, Jones jr, Chambers. In terms of displaying punching power Jirov (in ring 203lbs), Haye, Ibragimov.

As for swarming power punchers i think Ibragimov may be the best example. He fought 201lbs as an amateur (until age 27) was under 210lbs for his first couple fights and while he fluctuated between 210 and 225 his best weight and most frequent was in the 215lbs range. He was aggressive, swarming, had HW power, and chin. If all you're familiar with is the Klychko fight then please refrain from commenting on him.

I firmly believe that if Lebedev, Jones, Hernandez, Frenkel, Afolabi, Ross, Palacios,Cunningham, Masternak, Chakhkiev, Alekseev all moved up to HW at least half would translate well and find success with probably 2 or 3 being legit contenders or titlist level HW's (in a 4 different belts era with Klychko retired)

6'0 CW prospect Chakhkiev is the one i'm most excited about and if he wins belts at CW i'm hoping he'll make a run at HW. He's aggressive, peek-a-boo, great body puncher, brutal power that i suspect would translate to HW.

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Lets keep in mind the 5oz vs 10oz gloves.

This is an interesting point. People are criticising Dempsey due to LHW opponents like Carpantier but we can't make the same observations for Lewis due to him not having fought Byrd, the premier small defensive HW of his era.

How many very good defensive fighters, elusive guys, or skilled boxrers did Lewis face. Most of his resume is comprised of medium-large HW punchers, most having already seen their best days when LL faced them. A shot to **** Tyson is the best analog to Dempsey we have, there are no comparisions to be drawn from that fight. Mcbride owned that version of Tyson.

Now i don't have it saved so i can't source it but i remember Lennox saying that he didn't go out of his way to face Corrie Sanders, in part due to the Southpaw status. Lennox never faced a southpaw (unless really early on that im unaware of) and i also suspect that may have been a factor in him and Byrd never happening.

If we had seen Lewis vs Byrd or Toney circa 2002-2004 and he struggled i'm sure the opinions on here would be very different. Jones too after Ruiz, even if RJJ got knocked out if his movement proved effective for some of the fight it would have helped in providing some proper analysis. Truth is we have no clue how Lennox would do against a undersized elusive quick HW.

 

Dempsey was great but he would probably cut down to 175 Lbs. in today's game... or be a small CW. 6'1" with a decent reach of 77" but 4" shorter than Lewis and his reach was 7" shorter. Lewis weighed between 229 and 256 1/2 in HW World Title fights. The most Dempsey ever weighed in a HW World Title Fight was 192 1/2 Lbs... his lowest Weight in a HW World Title Fight was 187 Lbs. Making 175 would be tough but he would not be a monster at CW either.

It would be like a man vs. a boy... sorry if that offends some of you... no I'm not! Holyfield would whip his azs too!

 

Dempsey specialized in beating big guys, he gets to Lewis by 5th round and ko's him. Not enough chin on Lennox's part.

 

Dempsey beat some big guys but they weren't shlt compared to Lennox Lewis... and you know that!

 

Lennox knocks him out inside of 6 or 7 rounds.

 

Dempsey was 227lbs going into camp for the Tunney rematch. I'm sure had he taken the approach of Moorer or Mercer and come in a overweight slob that would increase his validity as a genuine HW in most people's eyes today atsch

 

It wouldn't mean shlt... my point is that if both men came in ripped... Lewis is still much taller with a much longer reach and just a much bigger and stronger man. Yes, it takes more than that and Lewis had those things

 

Taller yes, longer reach yes. As noted above Lennox would have the exact same advantages in that department as he did against Mercer. How hard was it for Ray to land?

As for stronger, define that. Yes on a bench press i suspect Lewis would put up bigger numbers but if you're trying to imply Dempsey would be outmuscled and dominated on the inside i already addressed this erroneous notion in my earlier post (#566) and provided video evidence of a modern 170lb fighter with wrestling experience ****ing dominating a 270lb professional athlete who doesn't. Along with Lennox being ragdolled by a boxer with Judo skills. As you so eloquently put it in your post, Lennox's "strength" wouldn't mean ****.

 

What a bloody ridiculous thread. Dempsey would be obliterated by Lewis. Its not rocket science. Its doesnt require over 600 posts of debate. It's ****ing plain as day. Janitor obviously has rose tinted glasses that he just REFUSES to take off. Let him keep them on. Its plainly obvious who would win this


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You've added nothing to this discussion and editing your post and making your whining bigger and more bold doesn't make you opinion any more persuasive.