Lennox Lewis vs Jack Dempsey

I havent read any of the previous 44 pages so let me just wade in and say if the 185 lbs Dempsey that fought in his prime fought a prime 245ish Lennox Lewis, Lewis would brutally knock him out in the 1st round.

Dempsey has as much chance against someone like Lewis as a 1950s basketballer has of making it in the moern NBA.

 

If you had read the previous 44 pages, you would see that this particular argument had been advanced previously, and did not do much to bring about consensus!

 

I get I've watched a fair number of his fights and read his bio, which I found extremely interesting. But I just finished watching Lewis - Tyson about an hour ago, and Tyson too is one to try and manufacture his chances, but that's not an easy thing to do when the guy in front of you is a skilled, larger fighter with longer reach and knows that this is the only chance you have of beating him. Tyson too tried manufacturing his chances and got hit repeatedly with upper cuts for his troubles. Now I would expect Dempsey to have a better chance than a shot Tyson at winning but I don't think it would still be enough.

Lewis was a lot of things in the ring, but he knew how to play the odds in terms of winning and in some cases that would mean taking maximum advantage of his attributes.

If they were close to the same size I'd give Dempsey a pretty good chance of winning, but Dempsey fought Willard at 188lbs and that's just too small of a fighter to beat someone as skilled as Lewis on the inside.

 

Mercer won Gold at the 1988 Olympics competeing at 201lbs at age 27

Dempsey was 192lbs against Firpo age 28 and cut weight to arrive at his fight weight.

Same height and reach. Care to explain how Mercer was naturally bigger? Eating your way to 220-235lbs doesnt make you a "bigger man"

Once in over a hundred fights and likely a dive. Even if legit so what, Tua got 1 punch KO'd as a youngster, how was his chin through his pro career? The totality of Dempsey's career demonstrates his durability.

Dempsey training in Judo and Wrestling pertains to his superior technique. The way a normal man would look fighting a Boxer, how complelty lost he would be, same thing applies in other combat sports. A person who trains with world class wrestlers would have a huge advantage.

You even watch the video? I demonstrated a 170lb fighter being able to dominate a 270lb professional athlete in wrestling due to his superior technique along with the 270lb Laraque saying that St.Pierre was stronger than him. Yes, that is applicable to this discussion.

 

Jack Dempsey would slaughter Lennox Lewis inside a few rounds just the same as Rahman and McCall did who were not near the caliber of fighter that Dempsey was.

 

Yes I watched the video and in my view it's meaningless because this is boxing not judo. Watching the video of lewis manhandling Tyson is much more relevant to the sport we are discussing.

If we go strictly by your criteria the champion of the world should be a UFC fighter. Do you actually do any of this? (Ie box participate in mixed martial arts, because I use to wrestle and it's pretty far removed from boxing) Why not give me some concret examples where judo has played a role in determining the outcome of a boxing match?

As mentioned I'm a huge, huge Dempsey fan and honestly I can see he beating several atg's, just not Lewis, Tyson, Ali, and a few others. Specifically how do you see this fight unfolding, what are the strengths and weaknesses of each fighter?

 

What the **** is with you taking the Williams-LL (Judo) video and trying to pawn it off as the GSP-Laraque video? The GSP-Laraque video has nothing to do with Judo or using Judo in a fight.

GSP-Laraque

- 180lb fighter dominating a 270lb man while grappling standing up thanks to his wrestling

- a 270lb professional athlete saying the 180lb man is stronger than him.

directly applicable to what we're talking about. People dismiss Dempsey in the clinch vs Lennox. Dempsey's wrestling skills and superior grappling technique negates Lennox's supposed "strength" advantage. Like i said in my earlier post which you failed to note, along with virtually everything else, Lennox may be heavier and able to bench press more but that means essentially nothing when discussing the two of them in the clinch.

That would be like me insisting that Mariusz Pudzianowski can punch harder than Lennox because he has a 50+lb weight advantage, bigger muscles, and can bench press more. Lennox in spite of those "strength" disadvantages punches much harder than Pudz because he's trained and can throw a punch with proper technique necessary for the specific task

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I personally dont think weight or height matters much in this game. Lennox himself admitted that he would have had a problem with Prime Tyson,would he do well against Prime Dempsey?

 

V,I think you are right about Dempsey against Lewis, but you are waisting your energy trying to convince some posters who disregard history, and have CLOSED minds. It is a fact that Dempsey and Jack Kearns COULD have easily brought Dempsey's weight up to 215 or more if they thought this weight would help him. IT WOULDN'T. But Dempsey from the waist up had the wide frame of a man capable of 215 pounds. But his success in his great prime was built on great hand speed,combined with vicious power,able to bob and weave to the inside where his short punches and
sheer roughness raised havoc. No heavyweight ever had this tiger like speed. He loved the big boys AS HE WAS SO MUCH Faster and more agile.
Today there is a fetish with weight,and many of today's big boys are missing one piece of equiptment, I think...Bra's...Cheers V...

 

Lennox would give Dempsey a shellacking. A shellacking.

 

A shellacking...

 

Yet, Luis Firpo- who today would at best be a toughman competitor- KO'd Dempsey by any modern application of the rules.

Usually, in these parts, we compare head to heads with the best versions of both fighters, not say, picking the Dempsey of John Lester Johnson's (a 5 foot 10 inch lightheavy of little note) beatdown, or even downsliding Jim Flynn's quick dispatch of Dempsey, but Jack's 3 round punchfest over a pudgy, out of shape novice farmhand, which Classicist's love to wax long and far regarding... you know, the one where he stood directly over his fallen foe hitting him barely by the time he had risen (per the rules of the day)... Then there was 170 pound Tommy Gibbons who went the full distance with a supposedly prime Dempsey... How long would that fellow have lasted against Lewis? Where is the corollary today of a 170 pound fighter who lasts the distance with the most devastating heavyweight in the world?

I'm glad there are the romantics left among the followers of fistiana as their appreciation of the sport is about as relevant as the sport itself is these days.

 

I think Dempsey would maul Lewis inside of 6.

Too much power and too much speed.

 

No but they were both much better than Carl Morris, Jess Willard, Abe Simon, Buddy Baer, and Primo Carnera.

What is your logic? Beating a guy similar in size to L. Lewis doesn't mean anything in regards to actually beating L. Lewis.

 

WTF? Well, this is a boxing forum right? What's with all of the Judo and Wrestling talk? Sure, Dempsey was good at the rough tactics... Lewis would be able to deal with whatever Dempsey does IMO.