Lennox Lewis vs Joe Frazier

Frazier was the reigning heavyweight champion and 29years old when he defended against Foreman!
Or the same age as Ali was when he came back from 3.5years of exile!
If he was fat and out of shape because he hadn't defended against anyone in the top 20 ,and had just fought two nobodies in his 2 years as champion ,meanwhile ducking Ali, basically sh*tting on his title reign,thats his f*cking fault!

I'm getting heartily sick of all the f*cking excuses for Frazier, he had the shortest prime of anyone I've ever heard of!
He was blind ,arthritic, had blood pressure ,couldn't judge distance, had an ingrown toenail,a zit on his nose ,bad breath,a contact lens, [ what did he need that for in a "blind eye?",
Well here's three names to conjure with.

HARRY GREB !
SAM LANGFORD!
BILLY MISKE !
Christ! It gets on your T*TS after awhile!

ENOUGH!!!!!

 

Big South American? 5'10.5" 207lbs.

 

He ko'd the reigning 29years old champion that was Joe Frazier ,using him as a yo yo.:good

 

It is a lottery , he had the luck that oscar did not catch him well again and of course this time he knew bonavena and he trained the defence and was careful also. Many factors in a fight

 

How can the heavyweight champion of the world not be in prime shape? The only way that makes sense is if the comp is ****. Yes, 29 would be very close to prime for a swarmer and if he wasn't prime, then it was his fault and nobody else's. As someone said, it appears that Frazier had the shortest prime of all the champions according to you.

In addition to this Frazier was knocked down numerous times in his career, far more times than Lewis.

This is what is known as a FACT, and since you seem a little hazy as to what that means, perhaps you should google it's meaning.

And if you want to use the 32 year old Frazier and old and past his best and give him every excuse in the world, then it's only fair that you do the same to the 36 year old Lewis, who did something Frazier didn't do, which was to avenge his loss.

 

Yet another example of the Ali-Frazier double standard. Ali gets forgiven for being floored by Sonny Banks and nearly stopped by Henry Cooper, but Frazier is slaughtered for being dropped by Bonavena. Both Joe and Muhammad were on a learning curve, but only one gets that allowance.

 

You've never forgiven Frazier for kicking Ali's ass in the first fight, Mac!

 

Exactly. It's that old "established opinion" thing doing the rounds again.:good

 

Which is exactly what you're doing in the case of Lewis, strangely enough.

 

I think the mainstream view these days leans a towards bigger IS better. If I were following established opinion I would be writing off Joe Frazier as a face forward swarmer too small to confront a powerhouse like Lewis. But I don't.

Lewis can't live with Fraziers tempo. Fraziers accuracy and punch output is a serious problem to lewis

 

One the one flaw in this argument is that Lewis is a better boxer. Is a bigger fighter, has more power, and is stronger

 

Frazier fought a great fight and thoroughly deserved the decision.
My mind doesn't work the way you think it does,I give credit where it's due. Frazier was a very good fighter ,a great one for two fights,and a fine man.I'm just sick of all the excuses his fan boys find for him.

 

That and being just 29 years old is usually a pretty good indication!
The same rabid fan boys that say Frazier was past it at 29 will tell you he beat a prime Ali who was also 29 but had been out of the ring for 3.5 years and had just 18 rounds of boxing since then.It's just illogical, biased , blind , BS!