Lennox Lewis vs Joe Frazier

dawnofthedead · Apr 28, 2018

swagdelfadeel said: ↑

Lennox was slow on his feet, and similar to the Klitschko's in many ways, relies on his size and jab as the best form of defense. Neither of which would work against Joe Frazier who went almost 45 rounds with Muhammad Ali.

You could in someways compare Frazier to Tua and Tyson, but that is purely on their physical appearance and style. All men were small fighters, fought from a crouch and worked best inside throwing powerful hooks and uppercuts. But what doesn't show up on the tale of tape is heart, grit, toughness and determination - none of which Tua or Tyson come close to with Frazier. When Lennox fought Tyson he fought an old, under-trained Mike Tyson who was for all intents and purposes 'fighting for a living.' And Tua was always overrated, he was just a fat Samoan dude with cool hair who could punch very hard.

Both men fell into the trap of fighting behind Lennox's jab, bad move! From here Lennox can dictate pace and also use his superior reach to set up his left hook or monster right hand. Frazier would never stay behind the jab, he would never give in like Tyson and Tua did and he would never stop coming forward. Did you see how gassed Lennox was after 5 rounds with Klitschko? That pace is nothing compared to what Frazier would put on Lennox. He'd have his head on his chest 24/7 drilling lefts and rights to the body for the entire fight, no way Lennox can fight successfully off the back foot and try to keep Joe at bay for the full fight - he didn't have the footwork or stamina for it.
Some good points but i cannot agree entirely with what you say and you forgot to mention that Tua also had a rock chin coupled with excellent stamina and i personally would rate Tyson 86/89 above Frazier.
We don't want to believe it but fighters over time improve, they don't regress, they get better and i have a difficult time seeing Frazier KO Lewis. Joe was tough and relentless though predictable and Lewis was great at adapting in fights and i think he busts Joe up to force a mid round stoppage, i could see a scenario whereby Frazier wins but so long as Lewis takes the challenge seriously, he wins this one.

Please note. When I wrote Joe Frazier by draw, I meant Joe Frazier by Decision in the poll
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McGrain · Apr 28, 2018

Lewis is too big for Frazier.

Bummy Davis · Apr 28, 2018

If we are talking about the FOTC Frazier or the Foreman version we are talking about 2 different guys. So lets say its the FOTC Frazier, that fight can go 2 ways and that would be a Razor Rudduck type KO (Im underestimating JF) but Frazier was also a slow starter but got up to win & always got up (even the Foreman version) Frazier got up 6 times.

Frazier could get rocked and dropped but get back into he fight on the inside & hurt Lewis like McCall or with a long left hook (Rahman landed the right) Frazier works the body and head and Lennox is cautious & Frazier builds momentum going into the late rounds for the TKO or Ko

Lennox had the size & weight at 6'5 and 244, Frazier was 5"11 & 206, but Frazier hurt & dropped Ali and landed much and Ali is known for his chin....Frazier also had 15 rd stamina, Lewis never fought past 12

Im thinking Lewis gets the right hand bomb off eventually but watch that Frazier hook (watch FOTC round 11 & 15)

I wouldnt bet the house against Frazier of the FOTC, Lewis not a sure thing IMO

swagdelfadeel · Apr 28, 2018

McGrain said: ↑

Lewis is too big for Frazier.
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Just like Buster Mathis who had a nearly 50 pound advantage at their peaks, was to big for Frazier. He dominated Frazier. Frazier couldn't even land a punch. OH WAIT....

MarkusFlorez99 · May 4, 2021

swagdelfadeel said: ↑

Just like Buster Mathis who had a nearly 50 pound advantage at their peaks, was to big for Frazier. He dominated Frazier. Frazier couldn't even land a punch. OH WAIT....
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But thats Buster Mathis though. Lennox Lewis is levels above. I will admit I've been underrating Frazier for a while. I favor him over Mercer, Holyfield, Tucker, Holmes, Cooney, Ruddock, possibly even Bowe. People forget he was the same size as Bert Cooper and Cooper did alright in the 90s. Frazier is significantly better that Cooper i can't exaggerat that enough.

But Lewis is a monster compared to even Foreman. 6'5, 245 pounds. An elite level SHW. I just think Lewis's size and skills would be too much for Frazier

Kamikaze · May 4, 2021

Joe would have his skull made into a cereal bowl. Big mismatch.

Entaowed · May 4, 2021

swagdelfadeel said: ↑

Lennox was slow on his feet, and similar to the Klitschko's in many ways, relies on his size and jab as the best form of defense. Neither of which would work against Joe Frazier who went almost 45 rounds with Muhammad Ali.

You could in someways compare Frazier to Tua and Tyson, but that is purely on their physical appearance and style. All men were small fighters, fought from a crouch and worked best inside throwing powerful hooks and uppercuts. But what doesn't show up on the tale of tape is heart, grit, toughness and determination - none of which Tua or Tyson come close to with Frazier. When Lennox fought Tyson he fought an old, under-trained Mike Tyson who was for all intents and purposes 'fighting for a living.' And Tua was always overrated, he was just a fat Samoan dude with cool hair who could punch very hard.

Both men fell into the trap of fighting behind Lennox's jab, bad move! From here Lennox can dictate pace and also use his superior reach to set up his left hook or monster right hand. Frazier would never stay behind the jab, he would never give in like Tyson and Tua did and he would never stop coming forward. Did you see how gassed Lennox was after 5 rounds with Klitschko? That pace is nothing compared to what Frazier would put on Lennox. He'd have his head on his chest 24/7 drilling lefts and rights to the body for the entire fight, no way Lennox can fight successfully off the back foot and try to keep Joe at bay for the full fight - he didn't have the footwork or stamina for it.

Joe Frazier KO8

Please note. When I wrote Joe Frazier by draw, I meant Joe Frazier by Decision in the poll
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Tua is often overrated, but credibility is reduced when you deny obvious strengths & insult people gratuitously.
Tua tended towards fat later in his career, & he was not Butterbean-obese.
He also carried his great power late, had excellent endurance, great chin, & before he got lazy was a high workrate fighter.

swagdelfadeel · May 4, 2021

Entaowed said: ↑

Tua is often overrated, but credibility is reduced when you deny obvious strengths & insult people gratuitously.
Tua tended towards fat later in his career, & he was not Butterbean-obese.
He also carried his great power late, had excellent endurance, great chin, & before he got lazy was a high workrate fighter.
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This post of mine you're quoting is from SIX years ago. I honestly have no idea why Markus bumped it.

Entaowed · May 5, 2021

swagdelfadeel said: ↑

This post of mine you're quoting is from SIX years ago. I honestly have no idea why Markus bumped it.
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Eh maybe he was bored?

BCS8 · May 5, 2021

swagdelfadeel said: ↑

Lennox was slow on his feet, and similar to the Klitschko's in many ways, relies on his size and jab as the best form of defense.
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You wanna maybe go and post this on the Tyson vs Wlad thread? I'm sure people will be delighted to hear that you too see the similarities I see between Lewis and Wlad, and hence the relevance to the thread

Guru88 · May 5, 2021

This is one of the hardest fantasy fights for Lennox

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