Lennox Lewis vs Joe Frazier

He isn't then. Thanks.
I'm getting a horrible suspicion that you actually are trolling,that several of us have been played for sometime.

That you are quite aware of your contradictions and the illogical absurdity of your posts.If this is so I take my hat off to you!

 

No I mentioned Carnera because you answered a post about him on this thread. thats all.

There are no contradictions on my part. You just disagree with me.

 

Its official you ARE trolling!

 

Afraid not.

 

Louis beat John Henry Lewis. He beat a poor Lewis. We will never know if Joe would beat the best John Henry. We just don't.

I suspect he would, but how on earth could i know?

I am fine with Lewis' chin. He went down twice in a long career featuring a ridiculous array of big men that hit HARD. As seen by the video i posted a couple of days back the guy could certainly take a punch. Holyfield sure agree's.

 

What's the old saying about being in a hole and still digging ?

 

Lewis had an ok chin. But Lewis got sparked twice. Hard. By underdogs. In his prime. Whatever way you look at it Lennox was susceptible and prone to getting clipped in his prime because this happened. Twice. One punch knockouts. Both of them.

Now Lewis fought a lot of hard punching men. He controlled a lot of hard punching men. But two guys he did not quite control happened to clip him. Early in fights too. They managed to keep Lewis from resting in the part of the round he liked to control where his focus was less intense. Outside of his comfort zone. That's when they caught him.

All those harder punching guys he met were controlled well within his comfort zone. Lewis was a chess player. A composed man of thought. His physical attributes and boxing ability were all tailored around controlling the other guy. Dictating what is going to happen. Slowing them down. He was a master of this. He was a very wary fighter.

Now many people cannot get past what Foreman did to Frazier. They just can't. And that's fine. I personally think Lewis would not have been so composed as Foreman was against Frazier and I also believe a large part of Foremans success was down to the fact he was hammering a guy who's punch resistance and anticipation had not been the same since Frazier was hospitalised after the first Ali fight. Remember even Joe Bugner wobbled him. But that is my prerogative.

What I cannot get past is the business of a fantasy fight being a best night for best night deal. To assume Frazier gets hammered is to my mind to assume we pick the Frazier of the Foreman fight rather than the Frazier of the Ali fight. A completely different animal.

Against Ali Joe had been one of the hardest champions to beat of all time. He set such an incredible tempo. He used a speed of angle that out thought a fleet footed fast Ali who had greater reach, speed of hand and foot than he had. He timed an unbeaten Ali. Muhammad had a better range of control over his opponents than Lewis did. He could usually keep More distance between himself and the opponent than Lennox Lewis ever could and control his safety zone. But within seconds against Frazier he was being hit and hanging on. Frazier found his chin and hit him hard every round of that fight. I don't think he needs to hit Lewis as many times.

That's where I am at.

Now I know Lennox's whole career from day one. I have seen less of Frazier than Lennox. And I can tell you, in my opinion, no version of Lennox Lewis copes with TFOTC Joe Frazier the way he set about Ali. Take your pick. All the best blow outs Lewis had, or the clever break down job he did on Morrison too. All those wins of Lewis required far more time and focus than Joe Frazier on his best night would let him. That's my opinion.

I have had no such detailed breakdown from you to change my mind, but I welcome it.

 

He does it consistently

 

I would never attempt to change your mind, what a waste of time that would be. You've given me absolutely nothing at any time except pure fantasy and agenda laden comparisons and opinions.

42 users have voted on the likelihood of Lewis vs Frazier. Almost 2/3 have chosen Lewis.

That sits about right with me. A great like Frazier is never to be counted out but the strong favorite in this bout would be Lewis.

The Fat Lady has been singing for some time.

 

All this bollocks about Frazier being a different fighter and having less punch resistance when he met Foreman is nonsense because he had never fought anyone in his career who hit like George .
Sadly, for Joe, Lewis is on the same level as Foreman when it comes to power and i would also wager he is a better finisher.

 

If life were only as simple. Lewis fought Tua but it was McCall who knocked him out with one punch. Foreman fought Lyle but it was Ali that knocked him out. Liston fought Williams but it was Martin that knocked him out with one punch.

But you are as entitled to your opinion as I am

 

Perhaps two thirds of the 42 are using Frazier of the Foreman fight rather than Frazier of the first Ali fight for their comparison? It's not about being wrong. It's just an opinion.

 

Or maybe two thirds are basing their opinion on the fact that Foreman was the only real big hitter that Frazier had faced at that point.?

 

That is going back to my original point, styles make fights.Lewis fights nothing like young Foreman.

 

Too simplistic. Far too simplistic for me anyway.

Foreman should not come into it. We use Frazier of the Ali fight.

To beat the Frazier Ali fought is something not many champions could have done. Think of how he trapped Ali. The pace. The accuracy and use of long range and short range blows.

It by no way cancels out Lewis's power altogether but if Tyson showed his younger intensity would have been too much for Lewis why not Frazier of the Ali fight?

Lewis punching down, is not the same. he struggled with Holyfeild in their second fight too.

Frazier has too much intensity for Lewis to gather himself.