Lennox Lewis vs Joe Frazier

No you weren't, you were disparaging what you suppose are his political beliefs which ,as I commented was irrelevant to his opinion on this match up.

 

What do you mean "no you weren't"? It's a fact that I wasn't trying to say anything to change his opinion.

As for the rest: Yeah. What's your point?

 

I thought I had explained myself, your post was irrelevant to what he had said and I said so.What do ,what you imagine his political beliefs are have to do with the discussion?

 

He was implying that he was an authority on the subject and that he's right because he had 40+ years of experience watching boxing.

So yes my post was relevant to his post.

 

We differ but it's not worth going further with, agree ?

 

Why would size be a problem? The only thing a 6'5 230-240 lb heavyweight would pose in terms of size problems would be a bigger target for Frazier to beat on with his left hook.

Skill level. A one dimensional Oliver McCall was able to expose Lewis flaws with his right hand. Can't really be said that Lewis avenged that loss considering McCall quit on his own accord then was determined to be mentally ill.

Frazier shares no stylistic similarities with Klitschko, Golota, Ruddock, Grant or Rahman so those fights are irrelevant. Tua was maybe a version of Frazier at quarter speed. Tyson was an absolute shell of what he once was. A lot of people think prime Tyson would have beat Lewis. I'm not one of them.

Why don't you take into account Frazier's domination of the rest of the heavyweight division during his career? Why do you only focus on his losses (to two fighters) but expect to find some sort of accurate analysis of why how he could win?

The difference between Frazier and Lewis is Frazier lost fights that were either close or because the other fighter flat out had him beat. He never had no "momentary lapses in boxing skill" or whatever you want to call it like Lewis did by losing to guys he should never have lost to in the first place.

 

Yeah sure man.

 

This post makes some valid points although I think it understates Tua and depreciates Tyson somewhat..I think the other side of the coin is Lewis proved he could handle shorter stocky guys whereas Frazier, in his only outing with a super heavy who had power,failed miserably.

 

Wait who are you saying that Frazier failed miserably against? I wouldn't call any version of Foreman that Frazier fought a super heavyweight because that would mean that Ali was a superheavyweight in the thrilla in manilla where Frazier did not fail miserably.

 

If you want to state that, then Frazier never faced a superheavyweight with any power so that say's he is unproven!

 

You don't have to fight a super heavyweight to prove you can beat a superheavyweight. Superheavyweights are overrated, they aren't really that much bigger than an average size heavyweight. I don't care if a fighter is 7' 300 lbs. If they can't fight then they aren't going to beat Joe Frazier.

If you can take on a guy who is 220 then fighting guys 240 or 250 is no problem.

 

Actually you do ,and until you do the jury is still out on the result.And I am referring to superheavyweights of class and power.

 

There is no rational argument that you have to.

 

"No way was Frank made to look any shorter against Lewis than he did against Bugner."

yes he was and Bugner fought on his toes mostly....

 

Never gets old when i see the word " RATIONAL " in your posts.