Lennox Lewis vs Joe Frazier

Never gets old when you come to the classic section then run away like a puss when you get schooled.

 

Great post.

 

Was Buster Mathis a super heavyweight? Joe Bugner?

 

Put her to bed mods, Lewis has double the votes.

 

Neither had power,end of argument!

 

If I state I have a wonderful voice but no one has heard me sing ,am I proven to have a wonderful voice? Yes or no?

 

Mathis had a 62% KO ratio. He showed evidence of hard punching when he flattened Chuck Wepner for a long count. Before stopping him helpless in round 3.

Bugner knocked out 41 men. He showed evidence of hard punching on occasion too.

This business of opponents not counting as a super sized heavyweight unless they punch like Godzilla is a very silly idea.

 

This is patent nonsense ,no one with any integrity would suggest that either Mathis or Bugner was a big puncher.

You argued that Cleveland Williams power was overated because he does not have many names on his ko list.Who do Mathis and Bugner have? Deceit will find you out!

 

Of course Bugner and Mathis were not big punchers at all. But they were big men. And they did on occasion show power and stop people. Up to a level. Williams stopped people up to a level too.

 

Thats not the same thing and you know it.

 

Look, if you haven't fought and beaten a class big punching super heavy there is no saying you can.It's that simple .

 

Yes there is. There isn't anything about a super heavy that makes them better fighters than a classic sized heavyweight.

Lennox Lewis was 245 and he didn't hit as hard as Old Foreman according to Holyfield and Foreman himself said he never hit guys in his comeback as hard as he did in the 70s when he weighed 220.

All these big guys do is provide bigger targets. Skills are what pay the bills mane.

 

Williams was a big puncher and everyone who knows anything about boxing accepts that.
Conversely no one who has any knowledge of the Noble Art would classify either Mathis or Bugner as punchers ,and it is precisely for that reason that Williams name features in the 100 best punchers and theirs does not.
I doubt they would even make the 200 best punchers list!
Now you can continue muddying waters as long as you like, but you are not winning anything here, just mugging yourself with asinine and bogus diversions.

 

I never said a superheavyweight is better than a classic sized heavyweight. It's like this if you never meet a southpaw you are unproven against one ,same with a class superheavy with power.
In passing I would like to ask how many 6ft 210lbs heavyweights have cracked the top ten in the last two decades? Do you think it is a coincidence that you are struggling to find one?

 

No not really. A superheavyweight isn't going to do anything different than a classic sized heavyweight. They just present a bigger target.

This doesn't disprove anything. There haven't been any 6ft 210 lb heavyweights even around. Historically they could just cut 10 lbs and win a title at cruiserweight which was a much thinner division than heavyweight over the last 20 years. Why do they have to be 6ft? That's below average in every era. David Haye is around 6'1 though and at 210 lbs he gave 250 lb Chisora more than he could handle in 5 rounds. Haye isn't even a good heavyweight lol