Lennox Lewis vs Joe Frazier

No they really weren't.Neither put away a class man, [discounting Quarry's mistiming of the count].

 

But the one he did meet was very likely the hardest puncher there was and Joe got up every time even though George landed clean bombs on him.

 

I sure do like Frazier's chances past about 6 rounds. Lennox is not going to like that body punishment. How many heavyweights do? Seriously. Think of the heavies in the last 3 decades to absorb body punishment and not show the effects.

Like other's indicated in previous posts, Smokin Joe after like the 11th round. He'll drain his gastank and come over the top. And he very well might climb off the deck or get badly shook before that.

I also think in a 3 fight series, neither goes 3-0. The opponent is just too good for either to pull that off.

 

In theory, Frazier could have stopped Foreman if he lasted the distance. But it's easier said than done.

 

Expert opinions on this match up
Fight Advantages:
Hand Speed- Frazier, Boxing Ability-Lewis, KO Power-Lewis, Chin-Frazier, Size-Lewis, Defense- Frazier, Endurance-Frazier, Adaptability-Lewis, Foot Speed-Lewis, Strength-Lewis, Jab-Lewis, Cuts-No Advantage, Reach-Lewis 84” to 73”, Body Attack-Frazier:
Total: Lennox Lewis 8-1-5

Moontan, Boxing Expert from Heavyweightaction.com-Judge
Frazier has some big advantages in this fight, his endurance pushing a very fast pace which Lennox is not used to fighting at and a body attack that Lewis has never seen before. Lewis on the other hand has the enormous size and power of George Foreman and the boxing ability of Ali. These were the only two fighters who ever defeated “SMOKIN JOE”. In this fight Frazier would be giving up too much size and length against Lewis. If you look at Lewis’s fight against the powerful David Tua who was very similar in size to Joe Frazier (Tua outweighed Frazier by 40 pounds), you can see how difficult it would have been to get inside against Lennox Lewis and his powerful jab. Lewis dominated his fight against Tua and I think he would have done the same against Frazier. Joe would have taken too much punishment trying to work his body shots and been knocked out anywhere after the 8th or 9th round.

Jim Dorney East Side Boxing
This is (in my opinion) probably the worst match-up style-wise in the list for Lewis. Versus David Tua Lewis was able to stay on the outside & pot-shot all night long, but Frazier is a very different animal to Tua. Frazier’s hit just as hard if not harder, never tired & was very effective at wearing his man down. The only time he was ineffective was the two times he fought George Foreman, who is stylistically very different to Lewis. Lewis would not back down easily & would use his strength well, targeting Frazier’s bobbing head with overhand rights & clubbing hooks to the body, but I reckon this would play out similar to the Lewis vs. Mercer battle, with Joe getting, and deserving, a close decision verdict in a bruising war.
Result – Frazier beats Lewis by majority decision.

Joe Torcello, The Boxing Magazine.com
The question for Frazier would be, would he (at the very least) be able to keep his hands moving enough over the course of 10, 12 or 15 rounds to outpunch a giant Heavyweight opponent like a Klitschko or a Lewis and take a decision?

Or, would a punishing jab result in the kind of eye swelling he suffered against?

My belief is – the younger version who fought Ali the first time had enough speed and head movement to avoid “eating jabs” all night long against the best of the big men. Frazier would also be punching “up” which, as Rocky Marciano once said, gives a puncher an edge in being able to use his legs to generate additional power.

I don’t like the way he matches up against Vitali Klitschko for the same reasons he suffered two one-sided losses against George Foreman. I do, however, give him a decent chance at chopping down Wlad Klitschko or Lennox Lewis or being busy enough to take a decision against either man. Either way you look at it, he would take some hard punches in the process and have to survive some anxious moments over the course of the fight. Neither Lewis nor Klitschko exhibited the ability to soak up punishment or recover well after being badly hurt during their careers. Against Joe Frazier, a safety-first approach would almost certainly be in the back of both fighter’s minds.

Of the three, Vitali Klitschko would probably been Frazier’s toughest assignment. While I wouldn’t rule out knockout victories against Lewis or Wlad Klitschko, I have an easier time envisioning him outworking them and earning decision win over 12 rounds.

By Boxing Experts, Jim Carney
A tough one. Lewis as shown against Mike Tyson and David Tua, really knew how to use his height advantage against very short heavyweights( (though he had problems with two heavyweights of intermediate height, Ray Mercer and Evander Holyfield). Frazier fought well against taller opponents – Buster Mathis, Muhammad Ali and Joe Bugner.) Height was a factor in his losing bouts against George Foreman, but not so much as were Joe’s lack of skill under fire and the fact that he, an unusually slow starter, was taking on a fast starter and excellent finisher in Foreman. George’s advantage in sheer strength was also a major factor. It also should be noted that Tua fought a lazy, uninspired fight against Lewis. And Tyson was really washed up when he fought Lennox.

Besides his advantage in height and reach, Lennox would bring a solid weight advantage into the confrontation. Not much difference in foot speed, Frazier may have an edge in hand speed, threw more punches and probably takes a punch better. Overall skills are probably well-matched. Frazier was tireless and I don’t remember Lennox ever having a stamina problem. Both fought the best of their time. Frazier’s era was better, but Lennox has a solid record and resume too. Both men are excellent punchers.

The bout probably begins with Lennox giving Joe a pounding that Frazier never recovers from, or – at any rate – fails to make up for. The prediction here is that he will lose, by either kayo or decision and if by knockout, it’s tough to pick the round. But if Frazier comes out of the first round in decent shape, then his chin, volume of punches and even greater experience in life and death wars switches the edge to him. This could also be by kayo or decision, with the round for the kayo hard to determine. Ultimately then I pick Joe if there was no first round. Unfortunately for him that is an impossibility.

Thus, my nod goes to Lennox.

Frank Lotierzo: The Sweet Science
Frazier versus Lewis has some similarities to Marciano versus Lewis. Only Frazier had faster hands than Rocky and cut the ring off better. Frazier also faced a better jab than Lewis had in all three fights with Ali. Lewis' jab may have been harder than Ali's, but it was no where near as fast or accurate, and he didn't throw as many. Frazier made Ali miss with plenty of jabs in all three of their fights. Just ask Ali and Angelo Dundee, they have both admitted so often in public. Ali has been quoted as saying that Frazier was much tougher to hit than people think. Frazier was also great at cutting the distance and getting inside. He would've been vulnerable to getting caught coming in with Lewis' right hand, a punch Joe was vulnerable to early in a fight. However, if Frazier can get through the first couple of rounds with Lewis, which I think he could've. I see him knocking Lewis out after beating on his body and then coming up top with the hook to the head. Frazier would get inside better than Tua and do damage, and he wouldn't fold after one tough round like Tyson. Frazier also has plenty of power in his hook to put Lewis to sleep for the count of 10.

I like Frazier over Lewis, but I can definitely see a scenario where Lewis wins. If Frazier is around after the second round, it's all downhill for Lewis.

Moontan Heavyweight Action Lewis 9-KO
Jim Carney Author Lewis
Joe Torcello The Boxing Magazine.com Frazier 12-D
Jim Dorney East Side Boxing Frazier 15-D
Frank Lotierzo The Sweet Science Frazier
Winner Frazier 3-2.

 

Frazier is 1-4 in his signature fights......let that sink in for a minute.....and was TWICE bounced around like a ping pong ball by a swinging from the hips with complete disregard for defense George Foreman...........even landed his vaunted left hook and Foreman did not even blink.

Conclusion : zero competitive blow out

That was the only , by today 's standard, Super puncher he ever met and the results were ......lol....see above. Fact.

In every winning, or loosing. battle against top tier opposition Fraziers face looked like a moon crater from eating punch after punch after punch......you could not miss him if you tried.

I am by no means a Lemmie fan, but he would murder Frazier, the jab alone would make him see double and he aint taken, no way, no how a Lewis right hand, and I am not even going into holding behind the head while upper cutting Lewis specialty. Punch for punch Lewis is easily on a George Foreman level.

Frazier was down, wobbled or shaken during his entire career one way or the other against sometimes borderline Journeyman fighters.............he will never get to Lemmies delicate whiskers.

Frazier gets flat out ko'ed in the first half of the fight...........he is not taken even one of the right hands a shot to shid Tyson took.....reality met forum gospel.

The end.

 

Right, Gatti had heart, Corrales had heart, Quarry had heart etc etc etc.....sometimes heart just aint enough to get it done

 

My god I've never read a more biased post in my life.

 

Is this a serious question ?

Best for best ?

Lewis places higher than Frazier by resume. And h2h, the gap is quite a bit wider.

Lewis takes this, and inside the distance.

 

I would ask everyone to watch just the first two rounds of each of these fights. And honestly let me know what you think. I don't mind either way. I am interested in what people think after viewing these two rounds of both fights. Both in the same New York ring. Frazier in his last important win versus Lewis trained by Manny Steward.

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And I have started my own thread on this subject with a poll.

 

Frazier got up every time because he was incredibly brave ,do you think he was functioning mentally on anything like even 50%? At one point he looks around as though asking where is my corner? He had no answer to the power that was knocking him around and though Lewis may have had slightly less power it would have been more enough to demolish Joe. You're justifying picking Frazier because he gets up 6 times in 2 rounds? You should instead be digesting the fact that that he was floored 6 times inside 6 minutes this emphatically tells you he couldn't handle that power! Are you perhaps going with the idea that Lewis will get arm weary knocking Frazier over like a tenpin ?
That Joe will magically rejuvenate after being thrashed unmercifully and come onto ko a class heavy punching man who out weighs him by35lbs? Because he never did it in his entire career!

 

Mcvey I do not argue the case that u are more knowledgeable than me. In this case I have Frazier. I feel when the going gets tough its Lewis thats going to ultimately break at the end. I think Frazier is so underrated its sad.

 

I suppose Foreman might have drowned in Frazier's blood.