Lennox Lewis vs Joe Louis

I beleive he drank in almost all his fights as fighters have said it. I would assume so as he was in a drunken fight behind his own bar with his brother i think the night he fought Louis and still knocked him down twice..lewis would murder Louis. Two totally different types and size fighters.

Lewis would literally clobber Louis and fast. I am having another debate on the godoy fight ,where i recall seeing Louis lose that 15 rnd fight. I was on another forum and someone posted the fight and we all scored it,i believe i was the only one that had Godoy the clear winner. You just cant win in these type of sections. lol

 

Joe Louis wasnt like to lose a decision in New York's Madison Square Garden with his personal ref ( Art Donovan who was the 3rd man in 16+ Joe Louis fights ) who's scorecards are junk in some of Louis' closer fights, and promoter who ran the place. Factor in Godoy was foreign born, and he might need a KO or a 12-3 type of performance in rounds to win.

Joe looks awful in the surviving footage. Limited punches, rather mechanical, bullied around the ring and out worked by Godoy. Louis had issues with crouching type of fighters and mobile type of fighters. Godoy was a bit of both. Based on the shown footage, Godoy was the better in the majority of it and gave away the 15th round. I wish there was a full fight and suspect Godoy did enough on fair scorecards to draw or win, or lose via very narrow margin, which was not the case on Donovan's or another judges card.

The best boxers Louis fought in Schmeling, Conn, Walcott, and Charles dominated him on the cards in the combined rounds, so Lewis who was just as skilled, except much bigger and more powerfull should win here.

 

There is simply not enough footage to score those fights today.

You have to go with ringsider opinion.

Most of the press favoured Walcott after his first fight with Louis, so I can’t see why they would not have given an honest opinion on the first Godoy fight.

Wrong.

Sharkey went to his grave insisting that the fight was on the level.

Even if he had claimed that he took a dive, the film footage clearly shows otherwise.

Louis could move pretty fast on his feet when he chose to.

The film is there to prove it.

He tended to use a seek and destroy approach, because that was usually all that he needed.

As for his defence, if it was as bad as you say, then his chin must have been pretty good.

Fighting 30+ ranked contenders, and not getting knocked out over a fifteen year period, has to be explained somehow!

 

Galento liked his beer, but he also used it as a gimmick to sell himself.

I think it highly unlikely that he drank before a fight for the title.

Either way the punch that floored Louis would probably have put Lewis down for the count, if it had landed.

 

That is such a fair comment. Louis and Lewis get slated for their lack of durability compared to other fighters.

But both Joe and Lennox were mixing it with the best for over a decade. Of course there was the odd blip in that length of career. Show me an offensively-minded heavyweight who was at the top for 10 years or more who didn't get sparked or near enough knocked out.

In comparison, fighters who get held up as specimens of durability did not mix it at such a high level for anywhere near that length of time. As I say, stick any heavyweight at the top for ten years and, like Joe and Lennox, they will have a few scares or losses. At some point they will get in the way of a good shot by the law of averages.

Or they will be so dominant that they will get complacent and play golf or appear in Oceans 11 instead of training or acclimatising. Just an example off the top of my head of what might happen.

Doesn't mean they were chinny, just that they put themselves above the parapet enough that the odds were against them coming through totally unscathed, particularly given their kayo-seeking styles.

 

There are examples of fighters who fought a similar number of elite opponents to these guys, who were not great fighters.

I could suggest Bob Satterfield or Turkey Thompson.

Their records carry the scars!

 

I respect all fighters from back in the day but Lewis is way too big and he's also a skillfull big man. Lewis by KO between 6th-8th round.

 

Donovan gave Louis one round more than the other judge that voted for him.If anyone's card should be criticized it would be judge Tommy Shortell's who gave Godoy 10rounds !

• "The New York Times reported: "Louis won sloppily against a bruising, mauling and rushing fighter who knew no fear or retreat." Many in the crowd booed the decision, but the Times called the verdict "eminently fair." Its reporter scored the fight 10-5 for Louis and stated that other reporters had a similar score.

• The Associated Press scored the fight 10-5 for Louis. They gave the champion the last five rounds.

• The International News Service scored the fight 9-6-1 for Louis.

• The United Press scored the fight even, giving each fighter five rounds and calling "

The AP gave an identical score to Donovan and the International News Service gave Godoy just one more round.
The rematch was in Yankee Stadium with a different referee and Louis stopped Godoy.
Of the 29 title fights Louis was involved in Donovan was the referee in 11 ,and only 8 were in MSG, Donovan was required to render a decision just twice!


You're full of it! We have two posters who give definitive decisions based on highlight reels from incomplete fights! You[Walcott1] and Galvatron,[ Godoy 1], you are well suited and deserve each other!lol

 

Once Lennox gets hit flush it is all over.He does not have the chin.

Louis has a good jab, accurate right hand and good combinations. He would eventually connect.

 

not an easy call. Whilst its true that Joe Louis was beaten and troubled by smaller men, he also destroyed giants as well. Of course men like Carnera, Baer and Simon can hardly be mentioned in the same breath as Lewis, but Lennox's career is also overshadowed by the defeats to McCall and Rahman along with very close fights to aging versions of Holyfield and Mercer.

 

Mcvey,

Why don't you watch Louis vs Pastor 1 and Louis vs Tommy Farr. Crooked Donovan only gave one round to each fighter. Utter crap.

Louis also won a decision vs Walcott in MSG where Donovan was removed as the ref because Walcott people insisted and 2/3 of those at ringside felt Walcott won.

It's beyond funny the surviving film of the first Godoy fight doesn't not show Louis being the better to a 2 to 1 margin! The 10-5 score card is crap. I guess all the missing film must be Louis rounds.

Ignorance is not bliss.

 

Your foot note is really amusing because: The first Pastor fight was promoted by Jimmy Johnston not Mike Jacobs.Johnston had control of MSG then not Jacobs!
Pastor ran all night in the first Louis fight ,he only hurt Louis when he butted him and thumbed him.

Johnston told Pastor via his trainer Freddie Brown to stay away and run from Louis for the ten rounds of the contest. Donovan gave Pastor two rounds not one.
"I didn't have a fight ,that was a track meet !"Joe Louis afterwards.
This bout became notoriously known as "Bob's Bicycle Act".
As to the first Godoy fight the other judge that voted for Louis ,George Lecron scored it 10 -4 for Louis and one even,[ giving Godoy a round less than Donovan ,]was he crooked too?
The Farr fight was in Yankee Stadium not MSG!

Did Louis have crooked officials there too?
I don't know how blissful you are, but you sure are ignorant!LOL

 

Joe Louis by a brutal 4. round ko .He was an about 6'2" fighter like McCall and Rahman just these were slow and unskilled fighters.
Other problem: McCall couldn't knock out the 45 years old Holmes and Rahman couldn't knock out the total shot and old Berbick but they could destroy Lewis easily this proves Lewis looked beatable and vulnerable for an ATG puncher.

 

I like Lewis beats Louis, and frankly, it would be by KO