Lennox Lewis vs Mike Tyson, prime for prime, who wins?

And what exactly here disqualifies him from being able to own a prime Tyson?

 

lol give me a break . a lot of fighters 'stared' at tyson and tried to be a tough guy. Didn't work.

And who's to say Lewis wouldn't be shitting his pants for this fight.

you guys think that tyson was some mental midget or something, but its far from the truth. he was mentally fragile way later in his career, but it was the complete opposite when he was at his best. He was actually one of the most disciplined and determined fighters I've ever seen. So he had personal problems so what? Everyone does.

To say that Lewis is going to stare into his eyes and scare him or something is just ******ed. It wouldn't happen, period.

 

Because he's Lennox Lewis?

The guy is so laid-back you could use him as a dreadlocked surfboard.
His cool head has consistantly, pro and amateur, been one of his greatest strengths.

And he'd already sparred with Mike anyone in '86, and didn't run off shrieking in terror then either.

It's untrue to say "anyone that stands up to Tyson beats him". Ruddock, Botha and others prove the nonsense to that. But it is an important part of the puzzle, and married with the right gameplan and the right physical skill will mean you can beat him.

 

Definitely. Great avatar, by the way!

 

Holmes' gameplan was sound. Just that he lacked the physical ability to execute it at that point.

 

Holmes wasn't able to move and get off with a reasonable amount of punches simultaneously at that stage in his career. His gameplan was solid as you said, but he lacked 'busy hands'. IMO, he negated Tyson's work very well up until he hit the floor for the first time during the 4th round.

He admitted himself after the fight that his work was based around keeping Tyson quiet for the first half of the fight.

 

the holmes KO was a bit luvky as holmes after taking a battering retreated to the ropes waited to land a right uppercut but his arm got caught in the ropes

 

Prime Lewis will always be too much for Tyson. Tyson could win one fight out of three at best.

 

................Most posting here now have not met you yet, sir. It's customary for noobs to introduce themselves first.

 

I disagree.

Holmes spent the first 2 rounds in survival mode which is not what you want to do with Tyson. It emboldens him. Holmes was backing up, leaning back, throwing next to nothing offensively aside from a few "get off me" punches. He clinched in close which was the only good tactic I saw.

He began to punch in round 3 but his jab was more of a flick than it was a committed one, and those uppercuts he threw from mid-range right up to the last seconds of the fight were high risk. Edit that: they were crazy.

A sounder gameplan would have Larry with his hands up high, jabbing strongly and with committment and stepping at angles. Not dancing, not backing up in a straight line, not screwing around with his hands low, and surely not waiting for Tyson to come in. Larry was hoping to survive until round 5, and as Tyson tired, Larry was to come on. He said that his mistake was engaging him inside too early.

That's good strategy against Shavers, but bad against Tyson.

Holmes' approach to Tyson was as if Tyson were just a puncher... and therefore his whole premise was wrong.

(Incidentally, I don't see prime Holmes beating Tyson either.)

 

Holmes tried to play the percentage game as well as he possibly could against Tyson. He knew he was in with a fearsome puncher who could possibly put his lights out at any time. With only three months of training under his belt, no warm-up fight, and two years of inactiveness, he wasn't quite sharp enough to do what he wanted to do effectively.

IMO, Holmes coming into that fight with a bit more 'behind him' would have let his hands go with confidence. He was unsure of his ability at the time, thus decided to play things very safe. Turn, clinch, turn, poke out a punch, skip out of range, etc. The offense he got off with wasn't authoritive enough to keep Tyson occupied and honest. I'm not suggesting Holmes should have stood stand and traded, course not. But the punches he did trigger off should have been more meaningful and varied.

 

:rofl

 

Lucky? Don't tell me you're as deluded as Larry himself who genuinely believes that one his uppercuts could've changed the fight when Tyson was tearing him apart so hard that he knocked him down without landing a punch.

Well i have to disagree there, mate. Holmes was too old to bounce sideways on his toes and control the distance. Although he obviously liked to come on late, i don't think he was just trying to survive. He was throwing some punches with mean intentions, but lacked the timing to catch a peak Tyson, whose defence was no joke, at that point.

I do agree that he would've done better in saving those uppercuts for later, and instead throw a straight right hand. But you know Larry, he's always got that goddamn chip on his shoulder, for the better or the worse.

 

If Tyson could bob and weave and throw punches non-stop, as he did in his prime, I think he could beat Lewis.

 

The punches Holmes was throwing with 'mean intentions' were scarce throughout the course of the fight. Very seldom during the rounds was he getting off with blows designed to cause damage. He did lack the timing to do what he really wanted. Holmes bounced, briefly, during the start of the 4th round with a degree of success behind his jab. Apart from that short spell he was skipping back out of range, clinching, shifting around laterally, and tying up Tyson when the gap was closed on him.

I agree with the uppercuts. The straight right down the pipe would have been a safer option at distance. Dropping into mid-range and committing himself with uppercuts wasn't wise. He's was being vulnerable in a zone where Tyson could be effective. I guess the uppercut he opted to throw against the ropes while his senses were scattered was like trying to hit the jackpot.