Lennox Lewis vs Mike Tyson, prime for prime, who wins?

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  1. sauhund II

    sauhund II Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Last but not least, if Lewis is pawing with the jab and comes with his predictable right behind it is not a question if but when he goes to sleep.

    As I have stated earlier, if Lewis gets brave ala Golata or Grant his chin WILL betray him.

    If he fights safe like in the Tua and to a extent in the Holyfield fights he is going to get outhustled IMO, he will win some rounds but not enough because if he cannot impose his size his pure boxing ability is certainly not superior to Tyson.
     
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  2. bigG

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    thats a point i made earlier..WHICH lewis would you guys consider 'prime'..the younger more reckless one or the post ko chess player.....i dont like lewis style but id have to go with the post ko version...he knew he could be ktfo now and adjusted his style to compensate..made for some boring fights but he got the job done....i just think even this safety first lewis will eventually succumb to a prime, young, fit tyson..thbe easrlier more brawling inclined version of lewis gets brutalized....

    ..but as someone else saud, this IS the heavyweights and there are always gonn abe so many inangibles combined with one big tangible..power...that anything in realtiy could happen...but i continuue to favour tyson against either version of big lenny
     
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  3. lefthook31

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    Yes the best version of Lewis was the consistent winner post Ray Mercer fight.
     
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  4. bigG

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    that version stands more of a chance against a prime tyson, but i just cannot see how even a 100% focussed lewis could keep the young, fit, feral tyson at bay for 12 rounds...the lateral movement, jab slipping and subsequenbt body/head assault would, in my nopinion, eventually get to lewis and given the manner of his two losses, i just can tsee him standfing up to tysonns explosive power..a harder fight for tyson than the younger gunslinging lewis for sure, but one in which he would ultimately prevail
     
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  5. lefthook31

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    Tyson mentally was a lot better in his prime. I dont know that he would have gotten hit that cleanly either. Also Im not so sure Tyson was "hurt" physically more than he was mentally. He just didnt have it in his gut to take punishment and keep fighting. I dont think Lewis hit Tyson any harder than Razor Ruddock did at any point.
     
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  6. Vanboxingfan

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    Well for one thing I don't think Tyson would be all that hard to find, so they'd be in close proximity to each other.
     
  7. Vanboxingfan

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    Don't know the answer to who hit Tyson harder between the two, but most people don't complain or even comment about being mentally hurt. I'm pretty sure he was physically hurt and I'm pretty sure it was an upper cut that did it.
     
  8. Vanboxingfan

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    Well Holyfield frustrated the hell out of him, so manhandlng him could be one very effective way to frustrate him.
     
  9. lefthook31

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    Its a lot easier to be discouraged when your heart really isnt into fighting. Some of the shots that Tyson took against Ruddock would have most certainly caused the same Tyson that Lewis fought to fold up. Tyson mentally was not focused on being a fighter and winner during the Lewis fight. They had to drag him to Hawaii where he barely made it through a training camp was photographed smoking pot on the beach. The point is there is no direct comparison to how the fight would have unfolded back when Tyson was a real fighter.
     
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  10. Vanboxingfan

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    Can't argue with a lot of what you said, but where I do think there is a comparison is on the style match up.

    But it appears that most people have gone from it being a fight that slightly favors Tyson to one in which Lewis can't possibly win, which I find a bit strange.
     
  11. lefthook31

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    Lewis could punch hard and he was a very good fighter, he would have a chance for sure.
     
  12. bigG

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    i don think the fight vs the tactical safety first lewis is easy for tyson, indeed, there is always apossibility, slim in my mind, but a posbility nonetheless, that lewis could aurvive and win a close fight on points..i said that pages ago..but i doubt it....and as iv stated, the younger bravado filled lewis is outta there within 5 rounds
     
  13. McGrain

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    I agree that Tyson was in bad nick in all sorts of ways when he met Lewis, but I also don't agree that the fight tells us nothing. Tyson looked a shell, but he turned the clock back for that first round, which he won on aggression I think.
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md7Z3OeYo0E[/ame]
    You can see Tyson bobbing and weaving, throwing the jab like the fighter of old, finding room to close the distance and land the right hand early.

    What's more interesting is what Lewis does. He takes complete control of Tyson the first time he closed the distance. Even at his peak against very passive fighters, Tyson could be terrible in clinches. Here is a guy capable of totally manhandling him, exerting physical pressure, and landing some of his hardest shots (uppercuts) as well as obtaining new distance whenever he feels like it (something else Tyson didn't excel at, though he did do it sometimes). Lewis, as a fighter, exposes all the weaknesses in Tyson - the short reach and the relentless pursuit of one distance (middle).

    Lewis is exceptional at close range, exceptional at long range and exceptional at controlling the range. Tyson is exceptional at one range.

    I go so far as to say that the styles favour Lewis and Tyson should be the underdog.
     
  14. sauhund II

    sauhund II Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You are the most consistant uneducated 47000 post never seen a gym or gloves or frontside seats at even local toughman competition armchair pistolero ever.

    As a matter of fact you are so utterly clueless in your observations that if ignorance would hurt you would be in agony 24/7. Fact.
     
  15. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    McGrain is a reasonable poster.

    I disagree that Lewis should be the favorite, but I don't think you should throw insults at him. Unless he said something to you that I missed. If that's the case then disregard.