Lennox Lewis vs Mike Tyson, prime for prime, who wins?

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  1. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thanks mate, but my work holds no candle to your own. :good
     
  2. Saad54

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    Yeah, i re-read his initial post.

    He did say Lewis was in his prime when he faced Tyson.

    I think he clarified later that he thought Lewis was at the tail end of his prime, or still close to it.

    The second part is probably true.
     
  3. mr. magoo

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    Perhaps, and if those were indeed his words then I recant that quote. But he argued with me tooth and nail that Lewis was still prime when he fought Tyson, weather it be "near prime", "end of prime" or whatever... And that's not something I'll agree with. Lewis wasn't even within seeing distance of prime when he fought Tyson, regardless of weather or not he was still the better preserved of the two.
     
  4. Saad54

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    I edited my post

    I was wrong.
     
  5. mr. magoo

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    No problem.
     
  6. foreman&dempsey

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  7. mr. magoo

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    The word "prime" shouldn't have been used in any way to describe that scenario... Lewis was nowhere near his prime, weather it be at the "end" of it or otherwise.
     
  8. Vanboxingfan

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    Yes when you talk about Tyson's prime, as near as I can figure it was on a Sunday, in June of '87 at precisely 4:00pm

    To bad he never fought that day....
     
  9. Vanboxingfan

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    Exactly!

    Especially coming from a poster (Foreman/Dempsey) whose prime was at birth.
     
  10. mr. magoo

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    Its an inane argument. There are some who have even tried to place his prime as late as the Vitali fight or as early as the Gary Mason bout. For me Lewis's prime was probably somewhere from about 1995 to 1999 or MAYBE 2000 at the very latest. This was the period where he had the best combination of physical tools, experience AND the training of Steward. Anytime before or after the above time frame removes him from his pinnacle in my opinion.
     
  11. Bokaj

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    I think Lewis size, strength and power coupled with his mental toughness and relative skill would be too much for Mike. When revisiting Tyson's so called "peak fights" it's clear to me that his success rested as much on overpowering his opponents (Tucker and Tubbs the clearest examples) as much as showing superior speed and skill. He was was not as Pac at WW - rather some of him and some of Frazier/Marciano. And this is actually high praise, but still falls short of the extremely overblown image of "peak Tyson" (i e when he didn't lose) that his fans often have.

    Tyson could get Lewis early, but if he doesn't I think Lewis physical superiority will be the decider.
     
  12. Foxy 01

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  13. bbjc

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    I say tyson. Always thought lewis was a bit scared of mike. Even when they did fight and tyson was pretty much a shell of himself lewis looked a bit apprehensive about it. Remember steward kept shouting at him to get him out of there. Could be argued that lewis wanted to prolong the beaten. But to me he always looked a bit wary of him.

    Although lewis who was always good but he did become great under steward later had all the tools to win i think tysons speed would have beat him. Lewis was always better against the big guys that werent too quick. Golota. Grant etc. But i think the speed would have been enough to worry lewis into mistakes.

    Lewis traded off his assets to become a better fighter. He was heavier stronger used his jab better protected himself better etc under steward. But was also less monile slower reflexes. I think the slower reflexes would have cost him against tyson. Tyson was small in comparison but for speed and reflexes combination punching there werent many better. I think lewis would have struggled with the speed.
     
  14. Foxy 01

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    On the contrary. Tyson was without doubt scared of Lewis, going back to the time they first sparred as teenagers. This is why he paid Lewis step aside money, it is also why he surrendered a title ( just like Bowe did ) rather than face Lewis. Then there was the pathetic press conference fiasco where he went straight down into biting mode after Lewis attempted to slap him.

    He only took the fight with Lewis because he was in so much financial sh!it, there was no other way out.
     
  15. bbjc

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    All true tbh. By the time tyson was to fight lewis he was pretty much shot after prison. He did fear lewis in terms of i think he knew he couldnt win at that point.

    But always got the feeling that lewis himself was hesitant about tyson. Saying that i think most of them had a bit of a fear about tyson the peak version anyway. Not many heavyweights want to fight someone with that kind of speed.

    People forget they want to put it down to hype with tyson or because he was a scary street guy. But seasoned professionals were fearing for their life against him. There was a reason for that...it wasnt hype. It was what he done and could do in the ring that created that. He never tricked us all plus michael spinks etc all this time.

    One more thing mate about the sparring i remember growing up at the time tyson was literally destroying sparring partners. Very few were surviving with him for long. Nowadays people rewrite history. They we re all beating him afterall. Even heard that glen mccrory was beating him up on here the other month. I m willing to bet my life that tyson lit lewis up in sparring back then. Lewis was always good but look back at them both at 18/19/20. Tyson was the more accomplished fighter etc.
     


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