Lennox Lewis vs Mike Tyson, prime for prime, who wins?

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  1. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes when you talk about Tyson's prime, as near as I can figure it was on a Sunday, in June of '87 at precisely 4:00pm

    To bad he never fought that day....
     
  2. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Exactly!

    Especially coming from a poster (Foreman/Dempsey) whose prime was at birth.
     
  3. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Its an inane argument. There are some who have even tried to place his prime as late as the Vitali fight or as early as the Gary Mason bout. For me Lewis's prime was probably somewhere from about 1995 to 1999 or MAYBE 2000 at the very latest. This was the period where he had the best combination of physical tools, experience AND the training of Steward. Anytime before or after the above time frame removes him from his pinnacle in my opinion.
     
  4. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think Lewis size, strength and power coupled with his mental toughness and relative skill would be too much for Mike. When revisiting Tyson's so called "peak fights" it's clear to me that his success rested as much on overpowering his opponents (Tucker and Tubbs the clearest examples) as much as showing superior speed and skill. He was was not as Pac at WW - rather some of him and some of Frazier/Marciano. And this is actually high praise, but still falls short of the extremely overblown image of "peak Tyson" (i e when he didn't lose) that his fans often have.

    Tyson could get Lewis early, but if he doesn't I think Lewis physical superiority will be the decider.
     
  5. Foxy 01

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    :lol:;)
     
  6. bbjc

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    I say tyson. Always thought lewis was a bit scared of mike. Even when they did fight and tyson was pretty much a shell of himself lewis looked a bit apprehensive about it. Remember steward kept shouting at him to get him out of there. Could be argued that lewis wanted to prolong the beaten. But to me he always looked a bit wary of him.

    Although lewis who was always good but he did become great under steward later had all the tools to win i think tysons speed would have beat him. Lewis was always better against the big guys that werent too quick. Golota. Grant etc. But i think the speed would have been enough to worry lewis into mistakes.

    Lewis traded off his assets to become a better fighter. He was heavier stronger used his jab better protected himself better etc under steward. But was also less monile slower reflexes. I think the slower reflexes would have cost him against tyson. Tyson was small in comparison but for speed and reflexes combination punching there werent many better. I think lewis would have struggled with the speed.
     
  7. Foxy 01

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    On the contrary. Tyson was without doubt scared of Lewis, going back to the time they first sparred as teenagers. This is why he paid Lewis step aside money, it is also why he surrendered a title ( just like Bowe did ) rather than face Lewis. Then there was the pathetic press conference fiasco where he went straight down into biting mode after Lewis attempted to slap him.

    He only took the fight with Lewis because he was in so much financial sh!it, there was no other way out.
     
  8. bbjc

    bbjc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    All true tbh. By the time tyson was to fight lewis he was pretty much shot after prison. He did fear lewis in terms of i think he knew he couldnt win at that point.

    But always got the feeling that lewis himself was hesitant about tyson. Saying that i think most of them had a bit of a fear about tyson the peak version anyway. Not many heavyweights want to fight someone with that kind of speed.

    People forget they want to put it down to hype with tyson or because he was a scary street guy. But seasoned professionals were fearing for their life against him. There was a reason for that...it wasnt hype. It was what he done and could do in the ring that created that. He never tricked us all plus michael spinks etc all this time.

    One more thing mate about the sparring i remember growing up at the time tyson was literally destroying sparring partners. Very few were surviving with him for long. Nowadays people rewrite history. They we re all beating him afterall. Even heard that glen mccrory was beating him up on here the other month. I m willing to bet my life that tyson lit lewis up in sparring back then. Lewis was always good but look back at them both at 18/19/20. Tyson was the more accomplished fighter etc.
     
  9. bbjc

    bbjc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    By the time lewis turned pro. Tyson had beaten frank bruno. Larry holmes. Michael spinks Pinklon thomas. Tony tubbs. Tony tucker. Trevor berbick. Tyrell biggs. James smith Mitch green. And a lot of other decent names. Mostly he was lighting them up to boot. I d be shocked if lewis was beating him up in sparring or even holding his own back then.
     
  10. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie booted

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    Fact is Arnie Boehm took Lennox down to the Catskills at old Tomato's request so the 17 year old Lewis could spar the 16 year old Tyson. At first Tyson did what he was always encouraged to do and try to rip Lewis' head off. In the next sessions Lennox was getting the better of them and was ridiculing Tyson to boot, making him miss and calling him clumsy.

    Old Tomato sacked them on the 3rd day and sent them packing back to Canada, because it wasn't doing his boy's fragile ego any good. That is why he was always wary of Lewis.

    Oh, and it was NOTHING to do with his age. By the time he was 16 / 17 Tyson had been living and breathing boxing 24 / 7 for 3 years, because his Svengali made fukking sure he did. Lewis like thousands of other teenagers had to attend school, do part time work to help out their parents or whatever else was necessary. Tyson only had to follow Old Tomato like a puppy outside of the ring, and do exactly what he told him inside it.
     
  11. bbjc

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    And that at the bottoms exactly the reason i know lennox wouldnt have got the better of tyson in sparring regardless of what arnie etc says. Tyson says he knocked him out the ring the first spar. One of his trainers said he knocked him out. Its all hear say depending on who,s telling the story. But as you said tyson was training like a fully fledged professional from a very young age whereas lennox wasnt. It would be hard to believe that lennox went in and dominated him. I m willing to bet tyson beat him up. Reports might be to the contrary but people dont always tell the truth.

    I dont think there was any fear of lennox from mike or would have been when he was at his peak. Whereas plenty of fully fledged seasoned professionals had fear of mike. Agree post prison tho...i dont think tyson fancied it especially when he slipped further. He knew he couldnt beat him at that stage. But like the rest of them lennox would have feared tyson at his best imo. He was sharp fast. Punched in combinations. Wasnt easy to hit.

    Kind of get the feeling your hate for tyson makes it difficult to have a fair discussion about him tbh.
     
  12. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There were reports of a faded Greg Page dropping him in sparring before the Douglas fight.

    That was a red flag that he wasn't at his best.

    No way I can see Page doing that in the 86-88 time period.
     
  13. JohnThomas1

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    It's taped, short right hand.

    [yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS91f_zMwcM[/yt]

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  14. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's a funny video. Everything is in Japanese of which I don't understand a damn word of it, and then I hear "and Tyson went down." Clear as day..
     
  15. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    In a month it will be 15 years since their actual farce, I mean fight.

    Still...Tyson KO 5 Lewis
     
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