Lennox Lewis vs. Muhammad Ali

Lewis is overated on here, yes lewis was a big right handed puncher, but people think he is the hardest puncher ever? Bert cooper had him abouth 5th, holyfield said bowe hit harder.

Imo prime lewis was vs holy 1/2. Lewis had a great jab, great right hand power, decent work rate for his size, good/average chin. And waw smart
He had little to no body attack, little to no left hook, and rarley fought a good prime fighter on their day.

Ali had a granite chin, great stamina, great jab, unbelievable speed, threw a variety of punches and combos, unbelievable footwork, very smart. Decent power. Fought and beat ATGs in their primes while he was past prime
He had little to no body attack

Imo ali beats lewis by decision or late ko, alis head movement, footwork and jab could nullify the effectiveness of lewis's jab, which then he wasnt half the fighter he was.

 

OBVIOUSLY people are assessing the chances of a 25 year old, 1967 version of Ali. Not an old worn out 78 version. :good

 

Sounds like sour grapes to me so all I'll say is.......

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Didn't you ever read what Sonny Liston said after their first fight????????
" They told me Clay couldn't punch, They lied, Look at my F' ing face"

 

bowe was scared shitless of lennox I was there when Lennox had a young girl wearing a chicken suit with CHICKEN BOWE on it ridiculing Bowe. Bowe just got up and left never said a word:rofl

 

Nothing annoys me more in these threads than the 2 groups of people who pretend it's an easy and obvious win in either direction.

 

ALI BY 15 UD. The fight will be competitive but Ali has more skill and will!!!

 

Your brain says Lewis but that was also what every1 thought before Ali fought foreman.
Who's to say Ali wouldn't have come up with some ingenious way to defeat Lewis?

 

Styles make fights, and Ali fought both those fighters after the lay off. He was never the same after the lay off.

I could say that LL struggled with Mercer, and got knocked out by Hasim Rahman, so how could he beat a 67 Ali?

You have to allow for circumstances.

It would have been a hard fight for both of them.

 

Not that surprising that Ali beat Foreman???

Ali in 74, had to lay on the ropes against Foreman, because what were his other options?


Option 1.

Dance on his toes, like he did in the 60's, and keep George in the centre of the ring.

There's no way he could have done that, because he'd have gassed out before the halfway point. He was heavier and didn't have the stamina to do it at 32. He was a very old 32, with lots of miles on the clock. That's why he did "The rope a dope" It was an incredibly brave and stupid thing to do. He urinated blood for weeks after. But he had no choice.


Option 2.

Stand and trade.

Foreman was a 24 year old wrecking machine. He had superior power and strength, and Ali would have been knocked out.


Option 3.

Avoid the fight.


A peak version of Ali at 25, would NEVER have laid on the ropes for Foreman.


There's no point having a debate and using the Foreman and Norton fights as an indicator.

Ali at his best was 65-67.

 

There are a set of window-licking, mouth-breathing, imbecilic, drooling tards that imply some rough equivalency here and the obvious needed stating.

Thank you for your civic-minded declaration.

 

Tommo,

It would be a much tougher fight than a Wlad fight in my honest opinion.

But he'd definitely have used the same tactics.

He'd have been up on his toes in the centre of the ring, feinting and circling.

I actually envisage it as being a lacklustre fight.

It would have been intriguing and exciting, but I don't think there would have been a lot of action.

The longer it went, the more frustrated LL would have become.

Manny Steward said that Lennox wouldn't have been intimidated, but I think Ali could have gotten to him mentally.

I could see Ali talking to him in the ring etc.

It's a tough one to call, but yes, I think a 25 year old Ali could pull out a 15 round decision.

 

I like Lewis as a fighter, but I think it's obvious all of Manny's "I don't knows" mean he didn't want to say the truth because he was friends with Lewis. And Ali was not 6' 2 1/2", as he says, but was 6'4" and "fought tall". It would be a good fight, but prime Butterfly outboxes Lewis and makes him look oafish. Better speed, footwork, ring generalship, chin, stamina and skills.

 

Never ceases to amaze me how many sentimental and biased fools exist for Ali and an era well over a generation ago. Only in HW boxing are the athletes of 40 - FORTY - years ago better :huh
The only good trend is that the percent who think this way seems to be declining, but very slowly.

Lewis would beat Ali 9 or 10 out of 10 fights. The slower, rope a doping 70s Ali would be over powered and stopped by Lewis. The skinny 60s Ali was faster, but even weaker. Weak enough to be dropped and stunned by 184 lb Cooper A handful of stiff jabs or one good flush right or uppercut landed by LL and Ali would be KTFO.

 

Thanks Tommo, there are more of us than you think.
See the LL-Tyson thread for my comment (we're on the same page but I see it even more for LL).

Too many (mostly older US fans) yearn for days gone by when the US dominated the HW scene.
Funny it took less than a generation for the fighters from the old Soviet block - essentially barred from competing in the "golden" age - from taking over the HW div :yep

It's too much for some fans to take :|