Lennox Lewis vs Prime Mike Tyson

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  1. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Same result if both in their respectable primes. Maybe the fight lasts a few more rounds.
     
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  2. archdeacon99

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    Single shots is an interesting concept, in the Rahman fight he took numerous of those right hands throughout the fight, some which you will see in the Lewis chin videos above. Im sure there was an accumlative effect along with the obvious tiredness but the Rahman shot was more than the punch, Rahman was moving forwrd to Lewis as Lewis off balance bounced off the ropes forward into the punch. He had no base underneath him, his feet are almost stuck to the canvas as his body bounces forward, Rahman almost runs in with his shot ready to go and boom two forces going toward each other collide, Lewis with no base and off balnce has to go down plus the incoming Rahmans legs seem to tangle into Lewis`s and sweep them up meaning Lewis landed hard on his head. You need to watch it from several angles. Its amazing he even tried to get up. The McCall one was also a case of him throwing his right hand and his whole body weight forward which M Steward had tolfd McCall Lewis used to do, McCall had it perfectly timed to hit him as he threw his weight forward into his overhand right an again boom 2 forces towards each other collide so its double impact, not just the punch. Hence under Steward he never threw that wild right again. This is the same way Wilder will get ko`d one day the way he swings. Its not about "chin". In fact Lewis was on his feet but the ref did not give the count and the extra time brushing off teh gloves and setting the fighters in the corner like Holyfield got when he was out on his feet against Bowe and if you look at Holmes Shavers, McCall wa sup at pretty much the same time and condition as Holmes but Holmes had a friendly ref.
     
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  3. HerolGee

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    d level? wtf, they were world class challengers.
     
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  4. DJN16

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    It's a tough one. H2H Lewis is probably the best ever. Hard to say when his peak was, he improved with age. Tyson in his prime would clearly be a threat to anyone,. Lewis certainly doesn't underestimate him.

    I'd go Lewis ko 8th round again probably.
     
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  5. archdeacon99

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    Lewis got up from McCall at the same count as Holmes from Shavers, Holmes got the benefit of the doubt by the referee and though out on his feet hung on for the rest of the round. Same with Dillian Whyte versus Parker, the ref gave him extra time though out on his feet and then let him hang on till the bell. We saw the same with Holyfield when Bowe put him down, Joe Cortez gave him a long time past the 10 count to steady himself and he was out on his feet and then got put down again and out. The questionable aspect of the Lewis fight is that the referee only gave Lewis to the count of 7 wheras in other fights like Holfyield or Douglas against Tyson they were still down at the count of 7 and the ref kept counting. Even Berbick when he tried to get up and kept falling back down was allowed until the count of 10 to get back up just as Rock Balboa managed in Rocky 2!
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  6. JohnThomas1

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    Great post.
     
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  7. Saad54

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    You're usually a very good, objective poster. But, when it comes to Lewis, I think your judgment gets a bit clouded.

    The Tyson that fought Lewis was like 20 percent of 1988 ultimate prime Tyson.

    Tyson's speed, power, and ability to slip the jab spells trouble for Lewis, who jabs, then drops his hands.

    Tyson would slip the sloppy jab and counter with bombs, testing the dentable Lewis chin from the first round.

    I just don't see Lewis lasting long enough to apply the things you described above.

    Tucker, Bonecrusher and Pinklon Thomas had extremely strong chins. Lennox Lewis didn't. And his recuperative powers were poor when he did get in trouble.

    Tyson by early to mid rounds TKO.
     
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  8. JohnThomas1

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    We've been thru this one before. I threw it straight back at you with regards to Lewis, Hearns and maybe someone else you mentioned. From memory i mentioned your use of an insulting type name for Lewis or some sort of criticism that touched on a personal basis.

    You'll find the vast majority of the forum both now and in recent years up to a decade ago rate Lewis a top 5 ATG in the division. I fit right into this category.

    Can't agree on everything.
     
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  9. Alphafighter

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    LOL 20% is being very generous to Lewis nut huggers. He wasn't even 5%. A complete ghost
     
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  10. Alphafighter

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    Debate all you want but Lewis is not going to ko a prime Tyson. He will be scared shirtless knowing he is in the ring with a young Tyson
     
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  11. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

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    Got to go with Tyson. His chin helps him absorb the big shots, his defense makes him harder to hit anyway, his foot movement gets him inside Lewis reach and his right hand was powerful enough to put Lewis away. The first right hand he floored Holmes with, Lewis would have taken a ten count.
     
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  12. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

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    Yeah Shavers could have upset Lewis with that right hand bomb.
     
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  13. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

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    Tucker, at least a prime Tucker was more durable
     
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  14. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Not if Lewis was on form, it would be like the Tua fight except Tua was beter than Shavers and had a better chin, I feel Shavers would be blown out eary like Golota and Ruddock because of his bad defense and suspect chin.
     
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  15. mark ant

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    McCall and Rahman didn`t win against any other world class opposition.
     
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