Lennox Lewis vs Rocky Marciano

Don't think I ever said the difference between Usyk and Dempsey would be comical. Dempsey had a good frame, 6-1, good 77" reach, built like an athlete. Even Marciano wouldn't be comical though it would be pronounced. The comical part would be the talent and skill level between Marciano and Usyk.

 

One hundred percent true.

you would have thought the skill level between Marciano and Charles would be comical. Or the skill level between Archie would have been comical.

The only comical thing is someone not recognising the results of Marciano vs Charles, Moore and Walcott and thinking Usyk was more technically advanced than those three!

I mean Usyk being 35 is obviously something Marciano was used to as well.

it’s ok for a superheavyweight to lose title fights to 35 year old heavyweights a division smaller than he is but it’s not ok for a heavyweight within his own weight class to beat champions of a similar age to Usyk?

 

Moore was a blubbery 185 and had and would have a plethora of defeats on his register.

Charles was a ,500 fighter by the time Marciano braved up to meet him.

Meh.

 

Didn’t your super heavyweight hero AJ lose to a blubbery guy who was naturally a division smaller? Andy Ruiz? Now Usyk..Twice it seems. Two separate examples. Three fights in all.

your going to knock a guy who wins in those situations but say nothing about the guy who loses in those situations?

 

That's ridiculous take

 

It's worth bearing in mind considering how much weight modern weight cutting drugs allow a fighter to shed. A LHW today can easily be in the 190s and many Cruiserweights are naturally as big or bigger than heavyweights from even Ali's time.

I don't need to present facts, just logic. No human alive has seen every HW on the planet train, so it's an impossible thing to assert that Rocky was the hardest training HW that ever lived. Call him the hardest training of his generation, or of several generations before and after, sure, that's within the realms of possibility. Of all time? Including generations you weren't alive to witness? No.

Since I figure you're going to refute this in some way how about you present some facts? Which trainers, experts or whatnot asserted the above? And what sort of dataset of fighters were they working with?

Yes I know. But there's a limit to what fighters can realistically achieve, especially when you're not just dealing with a size difference but a skills and power difference as well. Do you pick Beterbiev to beat Tyson Fury? If that fight were made tomorrow and you had to bet on the outcome who'd you be putting your money on and why?

 

If he didn't have huge power behind that shot he wouldn't have knocked out Lewis, unless you still subscribe to the outdated notion that Lewis had a glass chin (which has numerous times been disproved with actual, you know, video footage). Lewis took clean shots off Tyson, Vitali, Tua, Briggs, Bruno, probably a load more I'm forgetting, and never went down. The shot Rahman landed on him was about as hard and clean a shot as anyone could land on a fighter against an undertrained Lewis that wasn't braced for the shot and took the full impact as a result. It was a combination of factors that caused the KO, and not ones that anyone, let alone Rocky, could easily replicate.

No, he was a modern day light heavyweight. You want to disagree? What 185lbs heavyweights have there been in the last, oh, thirty years? Name some names.

 

I disagree. Marciano was always a heavyweight. He fought in the heavyweight class.

He was not a Superheavyweight.

just because they invented the wrong division above light heavyweight does not change what Was previously a heavyweight.

Those old champions are all still heavyweights.

Heavyweights are still there but they are incorrectly named now.

You want me to name a heavyweight weighing 185lb in the Superheavyweight division?

That’s a foolish question to ask.

It is the Superheavyweight division now. Rocky and none of the 20th century heavyweight champions fought in that weight class.

It was a well delivered shot that landed flush. Lennox was susceptible to it. And any other heavyweight getting the right room to replicate that punch in Rahmans place can replicate its effect.

The impact was as hard and as clean because Lennox was susceptible to it as he came off the ropes like he did. Like I say, put someone else there throwing the exact same punch as he comes off the ropes like that and it’s goodnight mr Lewis all over again. Lewis was wary of that kind of punch and was more prudent because of it.

if Lewis can’t get out of the way from an overhand right, while he’s on stalling mode, as he bounces off the rope near a corner..it happens again. The key is getting out of the way. See, Lewis being a SHW he needed to rest part of a round. But hardly anyone was intelligent enough to pressure him in those moments because He was such an expert of controlling pace. and it was during these moments where he was trying to stall that Rahman clipped him.

 

Lewis controls the fight with his jab and gets an easy win, maybe even a late TKO due to the accumulation of punches...

 

Yes, there are always outliers that disprove the general rule. It's why I never say with one hundred percent certainty what the outcome of any matchup will be.

 

Lewis Tko3.

Ain't no way on Earth a CW, that came in under 200 is beating Lennox. He'd be a guy Lennox would go at and Immediately bomb out of the water.