Lennox Lewis vs Tyson Fury

Maybe but Tyson Holy was at an advanced age when they fought Lewis, I feel Bowe would have been his biggest test and Bowe v Fury would have been great too.

 

I know it's Lennox but 70% backing Fury to get stopped surprised me. Personally I imagine it goes the distance and the decision could go either way, actually voted the draw but gun to my head I'd pick Lewis. Obviously LL holds the lions share of the KO equity.

 

Was hopeful for Lewis v Bowe back in the day ,very frustrating it didn't happen. Yes I believe Lewis would have won but would have being his toughest fight in a lot of ways .

 

I didn't suggest it was a ridiculous idea, but it is one that lacks any substantive evidence. It's a punt and like any punt it might vaguely stand to reason, depending on how you want to position it and on how loosely you want to discuss the point.

That said, I think it's easy enough to just look at the fights in question and see the difference, which is starkly evident. Holyfield/Lewis and Klitschko/Fury were fought at levels, quite distinguishable from each other. And, that's before one even begins to examine styles and individuals skills (not that I think it would be worth it, at this stage).

However, I've no problems with you entertaining yourself with it, as a possibility.

 

I can see Fury on his best night beating everybody on Lewis' resume.

He definitely beats versions of Lewis. Pre Steward Phil Jackson / Tony Tucka era Lewis could be made look like an out of town Jasper by Fury.
The Golota / Briggs era Lewis could be trouble for Fury if he turns up the aggression and makes it a war.

Fury around the time of the Chisora II and Klitschko fights had more more advanced and coordinated footwork than Lewis when he had around the same number of fights.
Funny that seeing as how Lewis was a two time Gold medal winner and Fury had no amateur career at all.

 

I think Wlad was primer against Fury than Holyfield was against Lewis. Bowe barely gets credit for stopping Holy in the rubber match and that was a few years before he fought Lewis.
Holy had a lot of years on the clock by that time.

 

Those aren't simply kind words of diplomacy, Lewis is a head strong guy who calls it like he sees it. He's certainly no Foreman when it comes to giving undue praise to younger fighters. Fury is the only guy among the current crop he believes would give him a difficult fight, and said it would take many rounds for him to get the timing down. Who are we to question his sincerity? Fury is an awkward, 6'9'' super mobile, switch hitting southpaw who is hard to hit with clean punches. He certainly doesn't lack for confidence like a Michael Grant or Andrew Golota. Lewis never fought anybody like that in his entire career. There is no basis to believe it would be some super easy walk in the park.

 

I didn't suggest that there was an onus - in either direction, but it was you, who made the statement: "

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If you think your statement above,

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, places a burden of proof on me, then you're very much mistaken. All I've said is that I doubt the statement; that I think you've just taken a punt with little to go on and that I'm quite content with looking no further than at the fights themselves to be satisfied with my view on the differences.

You think otherwise and I am not at all surprised by that.

 

No one is saying it would be a walk in the park.

Being diplomatic does not mean one is being insincere, by default.

If you can't understand that there's a difference between a guy commenting on a fantasy match-up, involving himself, more than a decade after his own retirement and the active fighter, who's either gunning for or defending a title and his legacy, I'm not going to try and explain that for you.

If you want to believe every word an ex-boxer says, because it agrees with your own ideas about how that fight might go, then good for you.

But bear in mind, Lewis is not exactly shouting that he'd lose from the rooftops, is he?

 

Yes he did.

 

This is getting a little confused.

Was I presenting evidence, when I reminded someone, that Holyfield went the distance with Lewis, in response to

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If I was, then I can assure you that it was designed to be a self-explanatory reminder (or so I would have thought, forgetting your tendency to imply that Holyfield was disabled, by the time he faced Lewis).


On the other hand, it is you who brought up Fury's win over Wlad, when you state: "

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I can only assume that you consider this your evidence for "

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This was not your initial remark and whilst you bring it up now and you are technically correct, you know as well as I do, what the sentiment was. The sweeping statement, such as the one I responded to, required no detailed breakdown.

This presents no problem for me, but I am also clear on who I think was the better man, from each of the bouts mentioned.

You do understand that I believe Lewis would beat Fury, in markedly easier fashion, than he did Holyfield, don't you?

If so, you'll understand, why I think Holyfield (Lewis) was better than Fury (Wlad) and why I think an opposite view is not a particularly credible standpoint. But, as I conveyed to you initially, it doesn’t surprise me that you would entertain the idea as credible and this is because as I am well aware (and as intimated in my first response to you) that you would find it so, based on previous conversations we have had around the Holyfield/Lewis bout(s).

This is another reason why I don't feel the need to go into detail, because there's a whole lot of previously, well-trodden ground we could retread here, concerning Holyfield and Lewis, which would not add anything to the initial reminder.

 

Lewis Knocks him the #### out! Let's be real here.

 

Tyson would put the GYPSY CURSE win by dec

 

I agree with some of this, mostly your praise of Fury is accurate. And I predicted his demise erroneously myself many times. I was 5 rows back for the Fury fight vs Steve Cunningham and he didn’t impress me that day, but looking back I just don’t think he took that fight serious enough. He looked way better than that against both Wlad and Wilder. I disagree on Wilder being “quite” good. I always felt and still do he’s a hypejob that cant box but I would say because of his range and right hand he’s dangerous.
He’s much better than Grant another hype job who was never a boxer. Golota could fight and was athletic he just had a bulky mind and folded easily. Vitali was the goods Fury isn’t there yet but few more wins and he will be- but i’m Not sure Fury can handle success well. He may self destruct again.

 

For sure, Holyfield was past his best, but even a Holyfield, at whatever reduced speed one cares to cast a percentage for, was very much a world class fighter. That he even attempted to take Lewis out of his game plan, in their rematch, should inform any observer of that - familiar with Holyfield beyond the two Lewis bouts or not.