"Lennox Lewis wouldn't be THAT good if he fought in the 60s or 70s"- James Toney

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    When I think of Holmes, I think "80's" I guess that's why I didn't mention him. I think Lewis would have massacred Frazier, with all due respect to him.
     
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  2. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    maybe so, but its unwise to write him off against someone who was known for concentration lapses, he brought a lot to the table in his prime and was capable of never letting up.
     
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  3. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    I mean, Frazier could pull a rabbit out of a hat, but, for one he depended too much on a left hook and even when Lewis was stopped, it was a right hand that did it. Second, with Frazier's style, he'd need nothing less than a class A heavyweight grade chin meant for taking big heavyweight power shots. Because he'd be in Lewis line of fire.

    Frazier was one of the mightiest warriors to grace the squared circle, but I think he'd need a miracle to beat Lewis.
     
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  4. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Lennox Lewis was the best HW champ since Ali who really was !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THE GREATEST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  5. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    who isn't that good?

    which boxers under 225 do not warrant a super HW division ?

    i keep asking you guys where are all these 200 pounders ?

    surely they would want a huge paycheck right instead of Fighting at cruiserweight?
     
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  6. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    But he's barely coherant.
     
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  7. JohnThomas1

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    I'm not just talking about now.
     
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  8. Eel87

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    Shavers & Foreman might sort him out and pull a Rahman.
     
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  9. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Im talking about the average guy that AJ and Wilder fought on the way up. These weren't a division full of Bowe's and Lewises. Even the better ones like Molina and Cornish, can you honestly tell me that none of the smaller heavies of yesteryear couldn't take those guys?

    I'd pick Machen, all 195 pounds of him, to box circles around Molina. You're equating AJ or Lennox Lewis with representing the average modern day heavyweight. The represent the cream of the crop.
     
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  10. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    James Toney wouldn't be "that good" if he was in the 60's or 70's.
     
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  11. HerolGee

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    are u sure toneys said this? u may be misquoting.
     
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  12. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    talkin bout lewis, but cant be sure.
     
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  13. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lewis defeated every man he ever faced and cleared out the HW division, in his own time.

    Being run close in a fight you win isn't a huge black mark and correcting aberrations (stoppage losses) significantly reduces weight those losses carry.

    The best versions of both Ali and Holmes are the only opponents I'd back with any type of confidence to beat the best version of Lewis. The rest all have their work cut out.

    Ali doesn't dominate in the '70s and Lewis has a chance of being the dominant Heavyweight of that time (much like he was in the '90s).
     
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  14. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    James has a point, Big Heavyweights 6:4 and over were always around but none were able to really make a dominant play Jess Willard, Primo Carnera, Buddy Baer, Ernie Terrell probaly best of the bunch.

    Olympic boxing and the Superheavyweight class changed all that, now Big guys could get bigger, weight training was allowed & eastern European & cuba had some influence in training methods, The superheavyweight division produced guys like 6'3 220 lb Foreman, Bowe, Lewis,Klitschko's, Golota,etc. etc. Tyson fought in the under 200lb class) so back in the 60's and 70's Lewis may have not been able to be the Lennox Lewis,Size,Amateur experienced Big man that he became
     
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  15. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lewis was avoided by them all and he beat them all, bar Bowe, who ultimately never looked like he could beat a world class Super Heavyweight. Of all of the top guys of the '90s, Lewis is generally considered the highest ranking ATG Heavyweight and that is for a reason.
     
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