"Lennox Lewis wouldn't be THAT good if he fought in the 60s or 70s"- James Toney

On classic you have knowledgeable fans rating Dempsey against modern day heavies, its cruel lol

 

That's true but most fighters are like that...but he did get in the ring and fight anybody that would fight he would not get in the ring without the belief he could win

 

What would Toney say if Randy Couture walked in and just stared at him? Nobody to help him. Carry a dead body out.

 

What would toney say if he saw couture again?

"So is yo bich azz gonna sign the contract for a boxing match, or are you gonna run away with the gay wresslin win? No? Then we aint got nothin to talk about! Unless you wanna just go right now!"

 

He'd wake up after being choked out and start again..Toney has zero back down in him

 

Yes but he's not alone on that front.

 

I can't be bothered to listen to a whole interview with that gibbering loon, but does Toney say Lennox as he is couldn't have competed in the 60s/70s or that Lennox, growing up in the same time frame as the fighters of the 60s/70s wouldn't have been the same type of fighter? Why am I even asking that question? It's obviously the former. Anyway, Toney is a bitter old fool with more hubris than an ultra powered Larry Holmes on extra strong hubris meds, nahm sayin?

 

If toney came in at 220 he would do fine, against Holyfield toney was very quick even his feet moved well.
The K2 brothers have never seen anyone that slick who is at the same time that comfortable in the pocket.
Clinching him is hard because of his side on stance and doesn't accomplish much anyway since toney is very comfortable at close quarters, finding and making space for short inside punches.

And toneys Philly shell defense forces theK2 bros to step into James with their jab because he would just turn and lean away from it at a distance. Once they step in with their jab they're inside toneys range and I bet toney can pull the trigger faster on his straight right than the Klitschkos can ontheir Hook.


Doesnt mean toney would win, just that I see him doing decently, especially because of his chin and style

 

I think it would be a bit harder for him than you describe ... on the other hand that's a good argument and I tip my hat.

 

Always thought a healthy in shape toney from say early 2000-2003ish would have given both brothers stylistic nightmares. Its a shame he couldnt get past rahman and peter, if he could have maintained his ranking the division could have gotten some much needed excitement.

 

He probably would stay quiet and hopefully Couture let's him live. Trust and believe it would be 100% up to Randy

 

Lol toney is from detroit. An mma match and a brawl in the street are two different things and win or lose toney would not be scared of couture. Thats what makes him toney! The guy called rampage jackson a bich and said he better hope he doesnt run into him in person.

 

He was getting fat and was aging by the time he fought rahman and peter. He should have beaten Peter if he was just 10 lb lighter. The 217lb toney from the holyfield fight would have beaten peter comfortably

 

The extent to which one wants to penalize Lewis for these losses, is a matter of one's own subjectivity.
I think the fact Lewis avenged both defeats goes some way to countering their measure against him.
I also take into consideration the fact that Lewis was not even given the chance to continue against McCall, after getting up on the count of 6.

"Fine lines and small details are vital", indeed

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Seriously - who cares? Great champions have tough fights and they come through them. As has been pointed out already, many if not all of the Greats had tough outings. Why focus on this one contest as a means to diminish Lewis' overall body of work in the '90s? You've got to be fairly driven in a direction against Lewis to want to spend so much time here.

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Hang on a minute....

...before I even made a comment on this thread, you made this set of statements:

I responded with the following key points....


"Lewis defeated every man he ever faced and cleared out the HW division, in his own time."

"The best versions of both Ali and Holmes are the only opponents I'd back with any type of confidence to beat the best version of Lewis."

"Ali doesn't dominate in the '70s and Lewis has a chance of being the dominant Heavyweight of that time (much like he was in the '90s)."[/QUOTE]


So let's be clear - shall we - You had already used the McCall and Rahman losses, as well as the close run with Mercer to paint your picture of Lewis in his own time, before I even used the word "dominant". Note: I did not used the word 'dominate', 'dominated', 'dominance' and, moreover, it wasn't absolutely central to the point I was making about how Lewis might fare in the '70s

Lewis was certainly a dominant force in the '90s and he was the one left standing, in the end.

In one of the more honest appraisals of Lewis, by Gavin Evans, he picks up on and writes the following:

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