Lennox Lewis's achievements are overrated

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  1. RacingBeat

    RacingBeat Casual lives matter Full Member

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    Ward-Gatti were two sissies faking it? WTF is happening around here
     
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  2. TEAM_LOMA

    TEAM_LOMA This is Boxing Full Member

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    Why did Lewis duck Vitali?

    and this is unrelated but he’s by far the worst commentator right now. Terrible
     
  3. Puroresu_Fan

    Puroresu_Fan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ducking would be fighting someone else other than Vitali. Lewis retired.
     
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  4. TEAM_LOMA

    TEAM_LOMA This is Boxing Full Member

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    He passed up very lucrative deals for the rematch. I wonder why?
     
  5. Puroresu_Fan

    Puroresu_Fan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Unlike many others Lennox didn't need to carry on fighting for money. You can't have it both ways. You either want fighters to quit when their body tells them to stop or you want them to keep fighting.

    Which is it?
     
  6. TEAM_LOMA

    TEAM_LOMA This is Boxing Full Member

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    I know you’re trying hard to defend him but everybody knows Lewis was scared to fight Vitali again. It’s obvious. Hence, why he retired.
     
  7. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I dont think his achievements are overrated at all.
    People forget that Lennox chased the fights that people are saying he didnt get until late on.

    Holyfield was a unified HW champ when Lennox fought him and won a world title again after he lost to Lewis.

    When Lewis fought Tyson. Lewis was closer to the end of his career than Mike.

    Look at the other names on Lewis resume and it is very impressive and he became a dominant champion
     
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  8. Puroresu_Fan

    Puroresu_Fan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Or he could have carried on fighting and avoided Vitali. I'm not defending anyone. I saw an old Lewis crush Vitali's face and then an old boxer retired.

    That doesn't need defending.
     
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  9. TEAM_LOMA

    TEAM_LOMA This is Boxing Full Member

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    Vitali retired your boy Lennox. End of story.
     
  10. demigawd

    demigawd Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I would have a hard time building a case for more than maybe three heavyweights with a better resume overall than Lewis. And that's even with Holyfield being considered "past prime."

    You can play the "everybody sucks" game with everybody. Foreman (only great win was Frazier), Frazier (only great win was rusty Ali, then lost every time after), Louis (uh...bum of the month club), even Ali himself (best wins were against two overrated fighters). And let's not get into Tyson dominating the lost heavyweight era of the 80s.

    Within three degrees of separation or less, any fighter in history has either fought mostly bums, fought opponents who fought mostly bums, or fought opponents who fought opponents who fought mostly bums. Ain't but so many prime greats running around at any one time.

    The fact is, Lewis fought in the second deepest heavyweight era in history, and came away defeating every opponent he fought at least once.

    Lewis passes the eye test AND has a top five resume at heavyweight.
     
  11. demigawd

    demigawd Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If there is no direct evidence, no indirect evidence, no whispers by connected sources, and not even any associations (like a bunch of people in Kronk getting busted) then I'm not going to indict someone just because other people who had nothing to do with him did it.

    And even if I did take that approach, then the way I see it is, it's all a wash anyway so what does it matter?
     
  12. kdyehs

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    Tyson won every recent fights prior to his fight against Lewis except 2 no contest. He did not lose for almost 5 years. He was underdog to win on points but I think he was a favorite to win by KO. People had obviously enormous expectation hence why the fight sold very well. And just a year before the fight, Lewis was being KOed by Rahman. It was one of these nights, no one can see the story before it is being unfold.
     
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  13. Puroresu_Fan

    Puroresu_Fan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And still lost lol
     
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  14. Naked Snake

    Naked Snake Active Member Full Member

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    They were all tomato cans. By the time he was fighting Lewis he hadn't fought in eight months and hadn't fought in a year prior to that
    Complete crap. In seven years prior to Lewis he got his ass beat by Holyfield twice and banned for a year for biting him. Then came back after his ban and looked absolutely awful against freaking Botha. Then he got banned for three months for smoking weed before Golota and only fought the once in 2001. People might have wanted Tyson to beat Lewis but it wasn't a Holyfield situation where everyone thought Mike would win.
    It's the heavyweight division, where one punch can change everything. Lewis often outpointed opponents and Mike Tyson often knocked out his opponents. Saying that Mike was a favourite to knock out isn't saying much.
    The fight sold very well because it was Mike Tyson, arguably the last great heavyweight champion and the most financially successful fighter (up to that point) in the history of the sport and it was Lennox Lewis, the reigning champion and the biggest name, other than Mike Tyson, in the sport at that time. It was always going to sell well, regardless of whether Mike Tyson was a prime knockout machine or a washed up bum more concerned with getting high than fighting.
    Only to come back and KO him in such spectacular fashion that the commentators were like 'I bet when Mike Tyson sees this he won't want to fight Lewis any more'.

    Look, I love Mike Tyson. But anyone who says Mike was anything other than shot against Lewis is strongly delusional. Even Lewis knows Tyson was shot, but wanted to fight him anyway to cement his legacy
     
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  15. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    When Joe Calzaghe fought Roy Jones he was about 10 years closer to the end of his career than Jones. Does it mean he beat prime Roy Jones?

    Tyson was SHOT and everybody besides Tyson's fanboys knew it. Here is the list of expert's predictions 1 day before the fight:

    Al Bernstein ESPN - Lewis KO 4
    Ron Borges Boston Globe - Lewis KO 6
    Tim Dahlberg Associated Press - Lewis KO 9
    Bernard Fernandez Philadelphia Daily News - Lewis KO 7
    Colin Hart The (London) Sun - Tyson KO 3
    Mike Hirsley Chicago Tribune - Lewis KO 7
    Kevin Iole Las Vegas Review-Journal - Lewis KO 5
    Michael Katz Maxboxing.com - Lewis KO 1
    Wallace Matthews ESPN Radio - Tyson KO 1
    Joe Maxse Cleveland Plain-Dealer - Lewis KO 5
    Edwin Pope Miami Herald - Lewis KO 3
    Dan Rafael USA TODAY - Lewis KO 5
    Jon Saraceno USA TODAY - Lewis KO 6
    Lem Satterfield Baltimore Sun - Lewis KO 5
    Tim Smith New York Daily News - Lewis KO 2
    Steve Springer Los Angeles Times - Lewis DQ 4
    Calvin Watkins Dallas Morning News - Lewis W 12
    George Willis New York Post - Lewis KO 10

    Source - http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/boxing/stories/2002-06-07-tyson-lewis-cover.htm
     
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