Lennox never seemed to be rated so highly in real time DURING his career.

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  1. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is a quality post.
     
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  2. Jakub79

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    This is what is being discussed all the time - Lewis has a CV that is much better on paper than in reality. A simple example - according to the ranking sent, his win against Vitali is a win against No. 10 and his win against Lionel Butler is also a win against No. 10. Great, right? If you think it's ok, then I really don't know who is supposed to study here, if not, why are you quoting such idiotic statistics? and the best are the comments from my colleagues - wow, great post, very substantive, let's look at the numbers and figures next to individual players - "I like it" ;)
    The Ring rankings are very different from the federation rankings, but each of them is completely ignored by Larry Holmes... As if this victory did not exist. Well, yes, there was something there, but Larry was not classified, so he is irrelevant. Meanwhile, this is one of Tyson's best, most devastating performances but - there is NO NUMBER WITH IT so - wow, great post by Maciavielli, here's the proof.
    If the numbers don't match, you always have your own opinion:
    Tyson achieved one of the most dominant victories over the linear champion but - in your opinion, Spinks was weaker than the fat and untrained Tua ;) on what basis? eye test? based on my test, both of them met excellent, but perfectly suited rivals and dominated them - Lewis after another 12-round fest of boredom in which he did nothing except distance control and jabs, and Tyson demolished his rival within 90 seconds but apparently still didn't do it impressive enough.
    Tyson won the WBC title after a real power invasion from Berbick and one of the most outclassing performances, and Lewis won from McCall after one of the strangest ones, but for you it is still worth saying: "we can say that Mike had a better start" - thanks a lot, really? are the numbers ok? Are you sure you don't think Oliver was better after all?

    As Frank Bruno said - I'd rather fight Lewis every week than Tyson again. After the fight with Tyson, Holmes said (although he later withdrew from it) that his greatest success in his career was surviving 4 rounds with the best Tyson, Oli McCall, who fought twice with LL and Mike knew from sparring sessions and said that Lennox was not for the old Tyson. would be no problem. In the Best In Faced The Ring series, common rivals Mike and Lennox, i.e. Ruddock and Biggs, definitely bet on Tyson. Tucker hesitated but gave Lennox. Everything is relative, but damn it, you can't ignore such things and rely on the statistics you quote and call it evidence and an objective post. According to them, Jimmy Bivins is much, much higher than Wlad Klitschko.
     
  3. MaccaveliMacc

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    So you basically ignored all of my points and started punching the air again attacking the claims I never made. Your opinion just can't be changed. To quote a Polish classic" "NIE BYŁO WARTO". I just proved conversations with you are futile. So let me go back to laugh at your fanboyism and bias, cause you're just not suited for a proper debate. And you wonder why you're not taken seriously, lol. If after all of this, you would still claim Lennox is not an ATG but Mike is, you just don't know sh*t about boxing.

    Just one life advice to you my friend: if basically everyone tells you that you are wrong, including the people who know a lot about boxing, maybe it's time for self reflection, not acting like the smartest one around.
     
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  4. Jakub79

    Jakub79 Active Member Full Member

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    I guess we live in different realities ;)
    Let's summarize our wonderful conversation: .
    Autor asked if you think that Lewis received recognition only after the end of his career - I'm expressing my opinion:
    - yes, but today he is overrated more than he was underrated then.
    - Then Maciavielli says: you are a hater, you hate Lewis, you write nonsense. I can imagine that you were sitting red with anger and shouting thunderous words from behind the monitor, but of course, I didn't see it :)
    Ok, I'm writing back what I base my opinion on: I mention successes, losses, the course of the fights, their evaluation
    Your next answer - you can't write in English, you're a Polish Tyson fanboy, etc. (what did he have to do with it - I don't know, but ok)
    And so several times...

    Please don't insult me from behind the screen, because it's substantively weak and not very nice, and this is supposed to be a professional forum - please provide counterarguments - I gave my own and I explain that Lennox's CV is better than himself, and I also explain why.
    Finally, after a few days, you kindly answer: LOOK AT HIS CV !! - and compare it with Tyson.
    You understand? the whole discussion comes down to me proving that Lewis's victories look much better on paper than in reality, which is why he is much more appreciated today than back then when people watched him on a regular basis and you replied - look at the statistics, on the CV, see what number he was in the ranking this one and that one had it. There is a comment under this post: bravo, the best comment, in a moment someone else - great, you wrote great, someone else gives more statistics, there are different numbers from yours, but you thank me and write - look, what I wrote is confirmed. Like Like Like ;) beaming with delight - Mac writes great, gave statistics
    He points out absurdities such as - according to these statistics, Jimmy Bivins is much, much higher than Wlad Klitschko. According to these statistics, the fight with Klitschko has exactly the same qualitative burden as the fight with Lionel Butler and that they completely do not take into account the style, circumstances, quality of the fight - let's ignore it, Machiavielli ends the topic -
    you haven't learned anything, everyone is laughing at you, talking to you is a waste of time ;)
    Well, my friend, you can bring up to 100 of your friends here who will tell me that we live on Mars and the Earth is flat and when I laugh, they will prove it to me with laughing icons. just because 100 flies are drawn to **** doesn't mean I have to follow them

    This is what a substantive conversation is all about - you use substantive arguments.
    But I'm glad that you were appreciated, perhaps it's best to just reply on a professional forum with links to boxrec or wikipedia?
     
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