I thought Lewis-Mercer could have gone either way. And Mercer was the best fighter Lewis had faced since '92 or '93. Holyfield beat Mercer more clearly a year earlier. And Holyfield beat Tyson in 1996, and Moorer in '97. He was already well over-the-hill too. I still say he's ahead of Lewis until about '98 or '99. But, yes, you're right, the division had turned to ****.
Yes personally I thought the fight could have gone either way, but as Ive always said, Ive felt that fight was a big turning point in Lewis career (the reason I said 96 onward), in fact he has said that as well, and regardless of what went on with Tyson and Holyfield, I think Lewis was the established top man. I dont think beating Tyson put Holyfield over Lewis and Holyfield lost to Lewis so I would say Lewis was the man until he retired, but that doesnt mean I think much of his reign. :yep
Lennox ducked Byrd and Ruiz by fighting Mike Tyson? I've been detracting on Lewis lately but this is nonsense
1996 is way too early, IMO. How did he become the established top man ? What exactly established him ? If his best win post-McCall 1 was Mercer (which is was at the time), I don't see how that puts him above Holyfield. In fact, if Mercer was a decent contender again it was only because he'd looked good LOSING to Holyfield.
The WBC would not sanction Lewis vs Kirk Johnson they had told Lewis that he must next defend their belt against No1 contender Vitali Klitschko by December or be stripped of their WBC belt.. Lewis chose to defend the unheard of IBO belt against Johnson but the bout fell through when Johnson sustained an injury. Lewis then had no option other than to bring forward his WBC fight against Vitali who was in training to fight on the undercard of Lewis v Johnson otherwise Lewis training would be lost and he would have to go through it all again starting in a couple of months. Lennox Lewis done a SKY Sports Special interview December last year where he claimed he avoided Michael Moorer in 1993... check out that interview To claim Lewis chose "Lucrative options" is not true. Lewis turned down career highest paydays throughout the 1990s.. HBO offered $18 million in 1993 to stage Bowe vs Lewis with $15 million for Bowe the champion & $3 million for Lewis the challenger but Lewis turned it down. Bowe offered Lewis a guaranteed $13 million in 1995 when neither held a title - Lewis turned it down. Mike Tyson offered Lewis $13.5 million and a guaranteed World Title fight in 1996 - Lewis turned it down. HBO offered Lewis a staggering $35 million + PPV to fight newly crowned WBA Heavyweight Champion Roy Jones Jr. in 2002 - Lewis turned it down claiming he had no interest in fighting a former middleweight. Vitali Klitschko offered Lewis $25 million to fight a rematch in 2004 - Lewis turned it down. All career highest paydays at that point in Lewis career. i can never recall Lennox Lewis ever being "Frozen out" neither can i recall any fighter ever avoiding him.
I guess a case could be made for Holyfield. Tyson was a belt holder and Holyfield did beat Moorer another belt holder, but Lewis was really coming into his own, whereas Tyson turned out to be a question mark and Moorer was really on the downside. Lewis was taking on the younger contenders, but I guess a strong case could be made for Holyfield who did fight Lewis with two titles to his one. The Mercer fight was really the start of Lewis descent to the top, thats why I used it, because he was fairly consistent from that point on.
Lefthook31... i agree with most of your points on this thread but what is getting "mixed-up" here is how Lewis lost the WBA Belt and who he fought instead of No1 contender John Ruiz.... The WBA allowed Lewis to fight Michael Grant and KEEP his belt on the condition he next faced John Ruiz. a date was set 15th July 2000 London Arena but Lewis baulked on the fight and instead fought Frans Botha on that date... link below. Lewis reportedly can keep WBA belt - Chicago Sun-Times | HighBeam Research Lewis fought Frans Botha instead of fighting John Ruiz
I dont particularly care for the way Lewis handled his business. He was just as guilty as he accused everyone else of being AFTER he became the top dog, it was just convenient for him to say this guy or that guy wasnt worthy of challenging him because there was a big robotic punching bag to fight instead.
Yes. It was closer than the first fight but there was still no way one could award The Real Deal any more than four or five rounds. Just too many stanzas where Holyfield followed Lewis around without punching, and got outboxed as a result.
Has i stated earlier you seem to be fabricating things for your own gains in this thread. The only thing you say with a shred of truth is regarding the Johnson fight. And even then you make out if's though Lewis was forced to fight Vitali! At the end of the day it was he and his teams choice to make as champions and promoters of the card, which they did otherwise the card would of fell through. Your Bowe points are BS. What the same Bowe who went on and fought Dokes in his next fight rather than Lewis. A fight that was supposed to happen anyway with the two winners of the HBO tournament facing off. We know what happened there! You say Lewis was offered $3mil, yet he picked up close to $9 mil for his fight with Tucker?!? No, Tyson chose Holyfield has the more lucrative and safer option. It backfired. Lennox Lewis v Roy Jones was taken seriously by about 2 people, you included. No one could see that fight happening, not Lennox or Roy. To say Lewis turned that down for that fight is ridiculous. I remember the rumours, and seen them as just that, as did pretty much everyone else. If it were true, then it would probably be because Lennox was scared of doing time for murder! The Vitali scenario tires me just thinking about it. Lewis owed him **** all, he was semi retired anyway, he chose to retire. End of. As for Moorer. He didn't even enter Lewis' thoughts until '94, so were you pulling '93 from. Has for the Sky interview, yeah i seen it. Sarcasm must go over your head. Has for him not being frozen out of the picture, well i can only assume you are young and can't really remember what happened in the '90's. Or more likely, judging by your thread, you are just a hater. Whatever, i won't be responding to anymore of your fabricated shite, and selective memory regarding the ATG heavyweight Lennox Lewis. Good luck with your hating and watch you don't have an heart attack too young.
The truth has obviously hurt your feelings and i am sorry it's upset you but you will get over it.. i am pleased you watched that SKY Sports interview so i wont have to elaberate on Lewis claiming he ducked Moorer because you will know exactly as i do what he claimed... your 100% correct in that Lewis recieved $9 million for fighting Tony Tucker which is 3 times more than he would have recieved from the HBO offer of £3 million to fight Riddick Bowe the undisputed champion in 1993 it also shows who-ducked-who..Tyson fought Seldon when Lewis turned down his offer of $13.5 million Holyfield came later... you claim Lewis owed Vitali nothing yet Lewis owed the boxing world everything after he promised to face Vitali in a rematch then baulked. Here is the Lewis offer : The result brings a scathing attack from Jay Larkin, senior vice-president of Showtime TV sport. He alleges Lennox has no genuine intention of facing Tyson. "It's totally untrue to suggest Tyson is afraid of Lewis," stresses Larkin, whose company has exclusive rights to Mike. "Lewis is welcome in a ring with Tyson on July 13 and we will pay him 10 million dollars - the biggest purse of his life. "Lewis and his people have refused. In their greed they have tied themselves to HBO Hyperbaric oxygen therapy (HBO) A form of oxygen therapy in which the patient breathes oxygen in a pressurized chamber. "All their talk of shaming Tyson into fighting is bluff. Lewis is simply not available. Unless he gets three of the HBO contracts there is no possibility of him meeting Mike." Larkin reveals they are courting This content is protected Holyfield This content is protected for July instead. And he insists the legal ban on Tyson This content is protected anybody but Lewis will be overturned. Says Larkin: "Sadly, Tyson is now trying to abandon the WBC belt to get on with his life. This content is protected Lewis This content is protected can pick it out of a trash can - again." Eliades confirms: "We have turned down Showtime's offer because we'd prefer to put on the fight ourselves. We can pay Tyson 45 million dollars. The WBC was informed later that promoter Don King and Lewis representative Panos Eliades had reached an agreement for the Tyson vs Lewis fight. The fight was to be held in March, 1997, and would have paid Lewis $15-18 million (which included the step-aside fee for the Seldon and Holyfield fights). We were also informed that this agreement could not be finalized because the HBO network had an exclusive promotional deal with Lewis, and would not accept the fight unless Lewis was to fight Riddick Bowe first, another fighter promoted exclusively by HBO, and fulfill other commitments. "Consequently, the Tyson vs Seldon fight was held and the WBC was later informed by Tyson's attorneys that he would relinquish the WBC title, to our extreme disappointment and sadness. The WBC Board of Governors voted, very reluctantly, to vacate the heavyweight title. No one on the Board could accept or understand why Tyson's championship was lost on the desk of a judge rather than in the ring. The WBC will always profoundly suffer due to this decision, which we consider a miscarriage of justice and an insult to the sport of boxing.
You ain't hurt my feelings at all mate. I now realise that your way of getting on in life, is to abuse the truth to make your own world a little cosier for yourself. Whatever makes you happy and keeps you ticking over. Everyone to their own. Personally i think it's delusional.
That is an interesting read, but its pretty obvious neither wanted to fight each other unless it was on their terms and it was over money not one fighter ducking the other. My opinion is that Lewis was more ready for Tyson than Tyson was for Lewis, and Tyson probably felt the same way.
I don't care about alphabet titles at all. He missed out on bowe when he was champ because bowe through his belt in the bin. After becoming champ against briggs he immediately defended twice against top ranked holyfield. Should have faced wlad instead of botha tho because he became number 1 ranked himself. But then again given the lack of logic on this thread i'm just gonna reply with: then again he fought wlad in vegas, i've seen the film so his resume is now complete so ner ner.