Leo Santa Cruz vs Vic Darchinyan?

I like Carl, but he is not tough enough to hang with Leo. Leo will break down Carl with an accumulation of head and body shots. I've said this before too, in different ways. If you want to get a better idea of what I mean by tough, think of guys like Margarito, Ruslan or Duran. Skills aside, they are just tougher than the guys they face and have good motors, so they wear them down and knock them out. Leo is in that category. Carl is not. It's not his fault. That's just the way it is.

Hopefully you will feel enlightened now, Len.

 

why not make this fight? santa cruz will probably stop mijares, and considering the rate at which he fights, be back in the ring shortly thereafter, so a fight against darchinyan is very possible. that fight would be a good one.

 

I do, I do indeed. Thank you Kid. Just curious as to where you get the idea about Carl lacking " toughness", that's all. Personally I would have thought that a guy who took pretty much Kikos best round after round without blinking was a pretty tough guy, no?
I mean to say Kiko had no trouble ploughing through very credible opponents, before and since he fought Carl.
If anything Kiko hits a lot harder than LSC and has a high output too. Also he is a career 122- pounder, big and strong.
What do you think is going to happen when Leo Impales himself face first on Carls shots, which with his leaky defence IS going to happen. Carl can finish a fight with one shot from either hand, and do it to head or body. Have you considered this at all?
Do you really think LSC is THAT tough??? That's a whole lotta toughness Kid!!!! A whole lotta toughness. :thumbsup

 

Picking LSC is one thing, but based solely on Frampton lacking toughness? What gives you this idea? He comes from Wayne McCullough territory and has been boxing all his life

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAns3gT-Pzo

 

Now now Buttsy, calm down brother. Nobody likes the smell of burning martyr!
Actually I was going from memory and I think most would agree that SOME of the phrases you used about Frampton would indeed lead one to believe or infer that you were suggesting LSC beats him "EASILY" if not actually saying it per se. Phrases like "taking apart" and about Frampton being "particularly open downstairs" etc

Imagine if I was to get all precious and accuse you of putting words into MY mouth. I could say that I never suggested that you regarded Framps as "a bum or an easy nights work", for example. Which I didnt - cos you didnt!

Obviously having (eventually) re-read all that material that you so kindly re-posted (phew!) it is clear that your opinion is indeed even-handed and not at all anti-Frampton.

One small quibble though - Frampton is NOT open to body shots as you suggest. That is just plain wrong.

You know sometimes it pays to bear in mind that the fisherman wouldnt cast his bait out if the fish didnt bite so hard! Peace. :thumbsup

 

This would have been a great fight if we had the in-prime, 2002-2006 version of Vic Darchinyan.

However, with Darchinyan well past his prime now, I think the 25-year-old Leo Santa Cruz takes this one within 6 rounds. The 12-year age advantage is just too much for Darchinyan to overcome here.

 

Yes, I have considered everything you mention. But you are making the mistake of assuming that euro level is world class level. It is not. Being able to handle Kiko Martinez is nice, and I saw Kiko win his IBF title in Atlantic City. But he is barely, if he is at all, world class. I doubt he would finish a fight with LSC. That's based on my observations of what kind of fighters they are and the competition they've faced.

Now, as I said before, I like Carl, and I wish him well. And if Carl stepped up to world class competition and came to America, and blitzed his way through super bantam and beyond, I would be just as pleased as you. But for his sake, and his fans' sakes, I hope he never makes that trip.

 

ok Kid, you seem to have thought it through to your own satisfaction alright.
Time will tell.
For the record let me say that by NO means is Carl a shoo-in to beat LSC. At his best, his very best, it will still be a big, big ask for Carl. I still feel he can do it though. But its definitely a fight Carl can lose. I am not delusional - I am under no illusions about how tough this fight would be for Carl. All the best.

 

You are really underestimating Carl here. Who had Cesar Seda beaten other than an ancient Lopez and Reyes at the end of their careers? He didn't look too over-awed by the world level LSC or OAN when they fought. Carl Frampton has a great chin, a second to none work ethic, great power, backfoot ability, front foot ability, 12 round engine easy and has fought and sparred plenty of world level amateurs back in his headgear days yet you act like in America he would be a kitten fed to the lions, I think he knows what to expect at world level

"I hope for his sake he never makes that trip"

really? it's as though you think he'd take some career ending beating if he dared show his face in America to fight "real fighters"

 

Don't know about that, Frampton obviously is a player on the world scene and will in all likelihood wear at least one title belt at some point if not by year's end - but you in the same breath are perhaps underestimating Seda. Very good h2h fighter and depending on the luck of the draw (as is the case with Frampton) he too could hold a belt at either bantam or super bantam when all is said and done. I don't think Frampton would have an easy night's work of him, either.

 

I agree about Seda. Very tricky customer. I'm actually more impressed with LSC after seeing him against Seda ( and a bit less certain of Carls chances of beating him) than I was before.
LSC showed me some things against Seda that I had not seen from him before, and I was impressed.

 

I'm exaggerating just to be funny. When it's all said and done I know Carl is a very good fighter. I still favor LSC for the reasons I've mentioned, but of course we'll never know until they meet. As Len says,

 

I wasn't downplaying Seda so much as making the point that it doesn't take a fighter to be consistent at top level for them to be able to give so called world level fighters a great run

I was responding to the charge that should Frampton make the trip to America, he would be way out of his depth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSwjri6CuhU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po9xHLXFNL0

I beg to differ