Leonard v Hagler at 160 in the early-mid 80s - please vote and comment

Not half as ludicrous as claiming "Leonard isn't in Norris' class".

Norris' best wins came against fighters past their peak. How ironic that you worship him.

 

Norris, at the age of only 30, crumbled like a cheap tent against a journeyman.

 

Terry was only 30 and going along nicely until this happened........

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Going into the fight Mullings had a record of 14-4-1, and finished his career with 16-8-1.

 

Really, so whats your defintion of being past your peak? Having 1 or 2 losses, lol. Ray Leonard was favoured to beat Norris. Meldrick Taylor was beating guys like Aaron Davis and Glenwood Brown prior to getting smashed by Taylor and that fight was ta 149 by the way. Whe he soundly outboxed Simon Brown in the re-match, simon brown is past it too right. Maurice Blocker, Vincent Pettway, and the 10 other world champs that he beat, they were all past it right. John Mugabi was on a 12 fight win streak, but o wait Terry Norris slaughters him and now he's 'washed up', lol.

 

he isnt and he proved it where it counts-in the ring. not on paper or in my imagination the way you do.

now, to use your own brand of logic,

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I just replaced the words Leonard with Norris as underdogs and Leonard with Hagler as favorites and now your resoning becomes my reasoning. And what even makes it more impressive is the degree by which Terry won!

We're not talking no split decision here.

Ray leonard - winner of 5 championships, unbeaten in 11 years, no ring rust to speak of, no carrying extra weight to slow him down, and that means no excuses... and an ass kicking on top of it... Terry beat winning regardless without the controversy. How I loved this fight!

by the way, have you read the article yet?

 

Which article are you talking about buddy, i would love to read it.:good

 

Who had Mugabi defeated of note since losing to Hagler in 86?

What was Taylor's win-loss ratio after losing to Norris by stoppage?

...Donald Curry? Sugar Ray Leonard? Were those two at their peak?

 

Why should it matter if Taylor was done after the Norris fight, he was the WBA welterweight champ of the world heading into the fight with Terry Norris. Their fight was basically at 149 and I dont need to hear the 'he was done after chavez' bull****. A fighter like Aaron davis doesn't lose to shot fighters. If Meldrick Taylor was capable of winning belts from 1990-1992, he was still there.

It doesnt matter if Mugabi never beat greats, he was still good enough to hold a world title and then Norris slaughters him.

Didn't Curry give Nunn a hard fight prior to getting beat up Norris. Wasn't he a junior middleweight champ like 2-3 years before this fight.

If Terry Norris was beting nobides, then why was everyone ranking him top 3 p4p until his loss to Simon Brown. I guess boxing writers were just dumb right?

 

Hi BP. I was referring to the article by Randy Gordon, Ring magazine correspondent. This man wrote in diary style behind the scenes infromation which is sure to be popular for any fight fan unless you are a ray leonard fan. It is at the link I put.

I think Duran has every reason for blaming his condition more than anything else for losing that fight. it's not that Ray Leonard wasnt good. It's just that he wasnt good enough to do it on his own

BTW, you made a tough case against anyone claiming Terry beat faded comp. they would love to say that becuz of him being the young upstart. Now I think Selfkill thinks anyone mentioning just the win streak alone is being disengenuous. But selfkill has yet to learn that two can play that same game

As for Ray, I feel bad for beating up on him the way i have these past few years. I almost wish I could switch allegiance to his side to appease his fans who I feel very sorry for.

His rep has REALLY taken a hit becuz of what I've said. Youtube with all it's millions of viewers is a great channel of communication and the opposition so witless.

The Hagler fight will always be bogus. Just as bogus as that lalonde fight and his numerous retirements which were supposed to keep him out of action,, but didn't. I will say this: on paper, Ray leonard has the greatest accomplishments of the four (on paper) but STILL...prime for prime, Terry Norris would have kicked that ass no matter the time and no matter the place!

:happy :bbb :good :toney

 

here's one for you: Try answering it!

Who had Terry Norris beaten just prior to beating Ray Leonard?

 

For sure, its so easy to try and diminish the accomplishments of Terry Norris, as if anyone could have just beaten those 12-15 world champs that he beat, he is indeed an ATG.

 

plus he holds the record for defenses at his weight but people talking like he's some bum. Here's a guy with all the defenses, dominating everyone but Jackson and they talk like Terry's a bum. some guy just said something like "Terry's alright i guess. But how about that prime leonard?"

I'm thinking that guy with no title defenses? becuz that what he has at- terry's weight of 154.

when it came down to the actual fight it wasnt like Ray was some immobile relic with no legs to move around. That was Hagler from the leonard fight.


Ray didnt really get caught with anything damaging in the first round so its not like he wasnt capable defending himself.

But seeing Terry's speed, he knew he had to put the pressured on. What he didnt count on was how damaging Terry can be. People also disregard that BrownPimp!

The terry norris power is too much for most fighters including Ray leonard. once he felt that power then he gained a healthy respect for him. And the SECOND TIME Terry hurt him, he took his heart. And once you take a fighter's heart, the fighter has conceded the contest.

 

Another thing is that Ray Leonard was going into that fight with a few wins and a draw in which he almost stopped hearns twice. It's not like Leonard was going into that fight as a severely battered and bruised fighter. Ray Leonard tried to 'cherry pick' Terry Norris just like he was handpicking all of his other opponents his whole career and it bit him in the ass.

 

Redrooster,

You make some very well structured arguments, but in all honesty I think it's just as easy to take away the best wins of any fighter in history!!!

However, to say you don't have hate for Leonard is a lie...there's no 2 ways about it!!!

Terry Norris...really!?!?!?!