Leonard v Hagler at 160 in the early-mid 80s - please vote and comment

You know that's not realistic.Ray leonard just does not take shots well enough to stand up to someone like Hagler. Just the fact that Geraldo staggered him the way he did and the much smaller Howard actually dropped him makes it unlikely he will last long with Hagler. Geraldo isnt even a puncher! With just a little snap on his shots he had Leonard backpeddling 3 times that round.

From what I've seen, Ray is soft in the head. Further proof is the way Lalonde sent him down hing on the head. Toughness doesnt prevent your legs from going out on you and you know you cant survive without wheels.

I also believe Nunn, and Jackson would have laid him out, to name a few.

 

Can you imagine ray competing in the same ring against Nunn, and Jackson?

he's getting embarrassed

 

Redrooster, if you don´t mind me asking. What is it you don´t like with Sugar Ray Leonard? I´ve never seen you write anything positive about him.
All the best
The Predator

 

The only way I see Ray lasting the distance is if Marvin tries to outbox him like he did Duran.

 

was RL ever stopped or close to it

 

Missed this earlier. You hit some good home truths.

 

What speaks for Hagler is really the 15 rounds distance. That might make a difference. Otherwise, as Power Puncher stated, Leonard lost more during that 5 year period than Hagler did. So the only reason why the outcome perhaps would be different, is the 15 rounds. A case could possibly also be made that Hagler underestimated Leonard in their actual fight and that he would be less prone to do so in this case.

But I'll go with Leonard in any case. He was further from his prime when they met and still pulled it off.

 

Hagler would definitely have won in 1982 early mid 80's. Truth be known I gave the 1987 fight to Marvelous Marvin as well but unfortunately 2 of the judges were either drunk or blinded by the Hollywood razzmatazz supporting Leonard that night.

 

Sorry if I've misunderstood, but you think Julian Jackson would beat SRL at LMW!?!?!

 

**** yeah! He'd lay that sucker out cold! Ray would be lucky if he could walk again after that.

 

I will answer your question if you tell me why a man cannot fight some real competition at the age of 26 but is still fighting at age 40?

Why does a man avoid defending his WBC title, claiming that was it for him and then come back months later so that he can step in the ring with someone named Lalonde?

I know the answer but I want to see who else is honest enough to admit it. Those carefully selected opponents at carefull selected times only back the claims of those that have labelled him a media creation since he won the title.

I dont believe in this phony the way the rest of you do. His schooling by Norris is more evidence as to what happens if he can't get the right opponent in front of him.

 

Leonard had an amazing ability to come up with a gameplan to win against the odds. How he reinvented himself mid - fight against Hearns and outsmarted Hagler in their fight was amazing. Halger was a beast is he could fight his type of fight. Against Leonard, he complained to him about fighting like a girl instead of finding a way to enforce his kind of fight. Hagler claimed afterwards that Leonard never hurt him. Then why did he not walk through Leonards flurries when he had him agains the ropes and knock him out? If you watch the fight you can see several occasions where Leonard is right where Hagler wanted him, then Leonard flurries and backs up Hagler. Incredible toughness and heart are not the only attributes of mental strength and in terms of ring smarts, Leonard is right up there with Ali.

 

If there hadn't been an advantage to the timing of Leonard coming back, he wouldn't have come back. Do you think Leonard came back to fight Hagler in 87 because it was going to be harder than fighting him in 83?? Take your sugar colored glasses off. Ray was too smart to go anywhere near Hagler until he was over the hill in terms of speed and timing. Props to his savvy.

 

I love Hagler, my favorite fighter of all time. But no excuses he deserved to lose. SRL was just better than night. And he had the greater career.

 

If Leonard could have beaten Hagler a few years before hand he would of, there is a reason he waited so long.

Ray's career was carefully planned out, he was a smart man that knew his limits. Ray always had one eye on his legacey, so the only reason he did not challenge Marvin before hand was IMO that he thought he could not win.

Ray was one of the best, but how many times did he defend any of his titles?