Leonard v Hagler at 160 in the early-mid 80s - please vote and comment

you like ray leonard. leonard okay with me too but he fights too many stiffs. he really had no business being in the ring with Howard, and lalonde. that's stiffing the public and I dont pay to look at ****.

My favorite is Terry becuz Terry knows how to win.

Your other favorite is Hopkins. he's good also but too conventional and his abilities are nothing great.

You dont really have a case claiming inexperience Roy since both Roy and X turn pro same year! That just mean that Roy advanced much faster. It also accounts for the vast difference in talent.

If anything, Roy Jones is the one with the excuse except that Roy won the fight

Broken hand and weight drained.

seems you dont know much about Roy. I highly reccomend Roy Jones' body shots to improve your limited knowledge. I dont even waste my time looking at X fights

 

And Ali aint in Berbick`s class either I suppose, or Whitaker in Trinidad`s, Robinson in Archer`s, Chavez is wise`s, Morales in Diaz`s, Barrera in Kahn`s ? :nut

Behave yourself !

 

Leonard wouldn't make my personal top 10 favs, Rooster.

 

I think the big myth about this fight is that Leonard was all style & no substance, that he never landed anything hard on Hagler... thats complete bull****, Hagler was the bigger man & even with that aside had 1 of the best chins in boxing history in any division.
Leonard hit Hagler with some cracking shots & Marvin smiled, so what ?... we know what that usually means, that he connected very well.

If Leonard landed half of those punches even on another elite, like a Hearns, he would have rocked him big time.

Marvin knows he lost that fight, he should man up & admit it, its been 22 yrs **** sake.

:good

 

That's funny how everything ray did always gets compared to everything Ali did, right down to his last fight.

But there are some key differences. Ali had lost to Young, Norton, Shavers, Spinks, and Holmes going into the Berbick while Leonard was unbeaten the last 11 years.

Berbick was favored over Ali while Norris was given virtually no chance against Leonard

Ali was a punching bag while Leonard was congradulated by Ryan (Uno mas) what he called "an absolutely magnificent performance"

Let's not forget Farhood's commentary "Ray leonard fought the perfect fight"

Keep it up Bill. You are so easy

 

and he sure as hell doesnt make mine. A win over Terry Norris is all that seperates him from greatness

 

Personally I scored rounds 1 and 3 even becuz neither did enough to win the round outright and hence, leaving it open for debate. That's pretty much how the whole fight went

I think Bill is one of those people that gets excited whenever he sees Ray throw 3 or 4 shots even tho its grazes an arm or something and then begins imagining the round went to leonard. He's one of those types

 

You said "you like Ray Leonard". See, thats what seperates fairness from being biased. Anyone on here who talks sense about Leonard, you automatically assume them to be a fan. I'm certainly not a fan as such, thats for sure. However, that doesn't mean I should be biased towards him and talk utter nonsense like yourself.

 

It's actually scary just how much Rooster hates Leonard. Even if you completely stay away from ESB, you still encounter endless waves of his anti-Leonard rhetoric on virtually every Leonard video on Youtube, under the name of Piglatinsuperstar: http://www.youtube.com/user/Piglatinsuperstar

Kinda creepy, but whatever.

In answer to this thread, I would naturally favour Hagler, as he was (by Leonard's own admission) faster before his decline, and I think he would have just been much sharper overall. He looked really sloppy at points in their actual fight, and although some of this was due to Leonard's fancy footwork and slipping, I think it was also due to Hagler's decline. Of course, Leonard wasn't exactly in his prime at the time either, and people who say that he invented the detached retina as a device to dodge fighters just come across as silly, in my opinion. Leonard WAS very calculating, and very careful about his matchups, but he wouldn't invent a bloody eye condition to duck someone, eesh.

 

Amen.

When Ray leonard let his hands go in that fight, he was landing on Hagler more often than not. He wasn't throwing wildly and missing.

Everybody masturbates over Duran for going the distance with Hagler, yet all we can talk about over this fight is whether or not Leonard deserved the win.

All-time great win, legitimately close fight, no robbery in place.

 

Bill is one of those types that puts both clean punching & amount of punches landed compared to the other fighter high on the list when judging... if a rd is very close but one fighter landed a good solid clean punch & the other did not, I`ll give him the rd.
Leonard plain outlanded him, a lot hit arms but a lot hit the face too, Hagler rarely landed anything close to devastating while being outlanded in almost every rd.

 

I don't masturbate over Duran going the distance with Hagler. Well, maybe I have once or twice if I'm honest The facts are highly evident. Duran fought a prime Hagler, or very close to his prime. He was a far better physical specimen when Duran fought him, compared to the slowed down version that Leonard fought 4 years later. Thats not being biased or taking credit away from Leonard. It's what you call "facing the truth".

With that said, Duran lost to Hagler and Leonard beat him.

And you seem to be very sensitive with the following "all we can talk about is whether or not Leonard deserved to win" It was a controverisal fight afterall. It doesn't matter if me or you thinks Leonard clearly won the fight or not. The fight was reasonably close, and no fighter won the fight by a landslide.

It's one of the most controversial fights in the history of the sport.

 

Definitely.

For Hagler to claim robbery for a fight this close for as long as he has is borderline shameful, I think he aimed to take the shine off Leonard`s biggest moment but its kinda backfired because the majority think Leonard won... that will kill MMH & he kinda deserves it (I actually like Hagler TBH) because he just wont let it go.

 

Yes it is... but a fight this close shouldnt be, its Hagler`s inability to accept this fight & let it go that has made it contraversial.
Most people have Leonard a close winner, that should be that, Marvin has severe problems with this **** & I bet he hasnt even had any sort of help, psychological or whatever.