Leonard v Hagler at 160 in the early-mid 80s - please vote and comment

If you can't see you're biased, god help you.

 

MrMarvel. Never forget that Hagler was taken 15 rounds by a natural lightweight. No use making excuses about that one. It's a tough one to swallow, I know.

While Leonard was also beaten by Duran, he faced a far better version than Hagler did. Duran moved up further out his comfort zone and stepped up another two divisions post Leonard I and II. Hagler was made to look pretty basic and unconvincing. :good

 

Roberto Duran is given a free pass in the fight game on Eastside Boxing. Evert single loss he ever received has an excuse to back it up. He was drained against Hearns and Benitez, he didn't train for Leonard II. Give me a break.

Duran did okay to go the distance against a bigger man, but he lost the fight quite clearly.

Leonard beat the same man, a few years later, albeit a slightly faded one, despite having a lay off and also being naturally smaller.

Let's give Ray his due.

 

I'm giving Leonard credit. Where haven't I given him credit?. Well, I had him beating Hagler for starters. I'm simply stating that Duran fought a better verision than Leonard did. I even backed up Leonard on my last reply to MrMarvel.

You and Leonard is "touche" subject. Duran is a favourite with many ESB's members, unlike Leonard. However, I give them both credit where it's due and like to think I'm fair and balanced when it comes to both.

 

I think every has apart from Rooster and MrMarvel.

 

I think you are, even though Duran's your favourite. That speaks to your credit.

It continues to amaze me how infected this subjected is, though. Leonard didn't do everything perfect in his career, but who did? Dempsey had a pretty disgraceful career in some aspects, but he's still revered by many. Leonard took on some tough dudes and always performed well (even in Montreal), but the hatred some here have for him...

Well, that's what happens when you beat fighters that many have as their favourites I suppose. ****, I think more hatred and contempt has gone Leonard's way for exposing Duran in a way in the "no mas"-thing than has gone the way of Duran. Weird.

 

I agree, Ali has to be above Leonard.... the retirements severely hurt Leonard`s legacy, shame really, brilliant fighter.

 

Mesmerising :nut

 

i will testify to that!

 

rounds 1, 3, 7 even.

rounds 2, 4 - leonard.

rd 5 Hagler

rd 6 leonard

rd 8 hagler

rds 9, 10, 11 Hagler

rd 12 Leonard

 

you're ignorant! Telling people he was given a free pass when he's already had a career's worth by 1978. You want to say he's given a free pass for the loss to leonard, here's his pass--> http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-article/310/mas-version/

You seem to have a free pass for leonard every time he loses but WITHOUT the back up

 

I'm not ignorant, I just call it how I see it.

Every single time a Duran loss is brought up, the excuses come flooding in. Is anybody about to dispute that here?

 

:blood

 

You mean you see it how you want to see it.

You are one of those types I was talking about just yesterday. because I know that you know who Randy is.

Do you? You think he lacks credentials and just making the whole thing up? I bet you dont even read it and won't bother reading it. Or at least you wont bother commenting on it. what would you want to do that for?

 

:blood