Leonard vs. Duran--Stomach Cramps?

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  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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  2. McGrain

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    According to the Hands of Stone Bio of Duran, what he ate before that fight was...ridiculous. I beleive he had some difficulties with his gut, for sure.

    But I don't care. Boxing is a composite sport. If he couldn't continue because of what he had to eat pre-fight then he deserves to lose. Mental discipline counts for what - 51% of this sport? More?
     
  3. The Kurgan

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    It's quite apparent that Duran was in 100% condition, and simply lacks mental toughness. Leonard would always beat him, unless Leonard fought a fight that led him to lose.
     
  4. McGrain

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    I'm not actually 100% convinced of that. 12 or 15 rounds is a long time to be in with focused Duran, even if you are Leonard fighting smart. Shame we never got to find out.
     
  5. Manassa

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    Here is my take on things:

    In the second fight, Duran may or may not have had stomach problems (be it cramps, indigestion, whatever). Whether or not his excuses were just that - excuses - is irrelevant, because I think we all know Duran was not in the best shape for that fight anyway, neither mentally nor physically.

    I believe the first Duran-Leonard fight was by far the most significant and telling because they were both at or close to their best. However, I also think Leonard benefitted from the experience and slightly improved afterwards; therefore, Duran-Leonard at their absolute peaks is a toss up.
     
  6. surreal deal

    surreal deal Liverpool via Krypton Full Member

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    that thinking goes for most fighters;'A would always beat B,unless A fought a fight that led him to lose.'moreover,why is a bad gameplan acceptable but not bad conditioning?And Duran was in bad shape!100% condition?thats absurd.Even leonard and dundee would laugh at that.
     
  7. My dinner with Conteh

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    No. Totally unfit and unprepared: yes.
     
  8. Rattler

    Rattler Middle Aged Man Full Member

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    It was a bad case of spicy frijoles.
     
  9. istmeno

    istmeno Well-Known Member Full Member

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    not only in beyond the glory, but he also said it in the playboy interview.
     
  10. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Shep Peasants. :lol:
     
  11. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    You brought Shep up. Check out his quotes in the recent Duran book for a start.
     
  12. Sonny's jab

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    All I know is that Duran quit. Leonard won.

    And the fight was ****. Complete garbage.
     
  13. The Kurgan

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    You're not making sense. If Leonard fights smart enough to have a winning strategy and execute it, Duran CANNOT WIN.
     
  14. The Kurgan

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    Duran was in arguably better condition than the first bout. His biceps looked larger.
     
  15. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Ha ha. Fair enough. Honestly, things wouldn't be the same around here if you left. :bbb