Leonard vs Hagler | WHO REALLY WON | Film study

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    decent study
     
  2. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I scored it for Ray by 2 rounds. I think Hagler's problem is coming out righty, he gave up a little of the right to talk. He was inactive again for the 2nd year since Hearns and looked sluggish, and coming out righty was a compromise which didn't give him room for an argument. It was not smart. The Petronellis had a great fighter to train,so they didn't need to really encourage him much in fights which was needed in this fight, however, Hagler's personality was not the type you get negative with.. He was a guy who knew what he knew and didn't like people saying different.
     
  3. Fogger

    Fogger Active Member Full Member

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    I have not watched this fight since it happened. I scored it a draw. I gave Leonard the first four rounds and only two of the next eight. I have no idea which two rounds those were. I think it's time I watch it again.
     
  4. Rakesh

    Rakesh Active Member Full Member

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    115-113 Leonard on my grave sight, live and now.

    RIP to the late Marvelous one.
     
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  5. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Addict Full Member

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    115-113 Hagler, and it's been the same each of the two dozen times I've seen it.
     
  6. ThatOne

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    There are four criterions for judging a fight. Ring gerneralship is one of them. For the most part Ray did whatever he wanted. When Hagler got Ray on the ropes or in a corner Ray hit his way out.
     
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  7. 88Chris05

    88Chris05 Active Member Full Member

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    Narrow win for Leonard has been my most common outcome, although I have scored it a draw once or twice.
     
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  8. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ray gassed midway through the fight and just lay on the ropes doing nothing for a few rounds.
     
  9. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ray didn't do enough past round five for me to see him winning. I saw a lot of flash as well as commentators who were way too biased.
     
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  10. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Two dozen?!
    What do you think of those that claim SRR hit harder or landed cleaner?
    I have no idea by the way, not a skilled scorer.
     
  11. FastJab

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    115-113 Hagler
    You don't win a fight by running around the ring pity patting, and laying on the ropes like Ray. Hagler wasn't at his best, Ray did not take the title from him imo!
     
  12. ThatOne

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    The criteria for scoring a fight is 1) effective aggression 2) clean punching 3) defense 4 ) ring generalship
     
  13. kaapa2

    kaapa2 New Member Full Member

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    I still had it 115-113 for Hagler when I gave every close round I possibly could to Leonard. When I scored the fight how I actually saw it, it was 116-112 for Hagler. I am a huge Hagler fan though, so I admit that I do have some bias towards Marvin and that this is in no way objectively 100% right as it is with all fights. But this is what I saw and my observation that I'd like to share.

    Edit: Actually I think I scored it 115-114 for Hagler if I gave absolutely every close round to Leonard and some round a draw.
     
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  14. Unforgiven

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    I think I had it 117-113 Hagler last time I watched.

    I've never scored it for Leonard. 115-114 Hagler is the closest I can get, if I bend over backwards for Leonard.
     
  15. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Alrighty, but should we trust a man who is not only Unforgiven, but also dead?
    Que pasa, Clint Eastwood finally got you?
     
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