Leonard's disgusting late eighties era

He was being sarcastic.

 

Depends on the source. If its a credible one then yes... Yes I do.

 

Thank you.
Ken Buchanan and Esteban Dejesus were both hall of fame fighters in their primes. Moore and Barkley ( though decent ) weren't.

 

What fighters are judged primarily on their records over the age of 32 and after 80+ fights? If you can name any, which of those was a linear champ for 7 years before that age, but is rated primarily on his efforts after that period?

 

No.

It proved that Hearns was the better Jr. Middleweight. That`s it. He was naturally bigger and younger than Duran. As already stated Duran had been a World Champion before the others had even turned pro. Its not complicated.

 

Duran kicked Leonard`s ass in Montreal. Had him hurt badly a couple of times and dictated the entire fight.

 

Exactly. You would have to be very biased in Leonard`s favor or high to give him the nod that night. SRL did earn respect for standing up to the punches Duran hit him with that night. Duran put some serious shots on Ray and shook him. Leonard earned respect, Duran won the fight.

 

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Here's 32-year-old Roberto Duran (156 1/2 pounds), reigning junior middleweight champ, with a record of 77-4 (less than a quarter of those bouts - about 20 - were at lightweight) ... against the 157 1/2 pound middleweight champ Hagler.

If you'd taken that Duran just as he was ... and transported him back ... and stuck him in the ring with any of the lightweights he faced in the 1970s, think he'd lose to any of them?

Think he'd lose to DeJesus who he'd outweigh by 20 pounds? Or do you think he'd destroy Esteban sooner?

Think scrawny lightweight Ken Buchanan could last longer if the Duran who fought Hagler showed up that night outweighing Ken by 20 pounds? Think Duran would need a foul to win if the 32-year-old, 156-pound Duran showed up?

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How do you think Buchanan and DeJesus would do against this Duran, the one who pummeled Hall of Famer Carlos Palomino in 1979?

Anyone taking the Ken or Esteban over the 28-year-old, 145 pound Duran who spanked Palomino?

Hell NO.

It's ridiculous to claim that Duran was "better" at lightweight.

At what point do you think the guys who lost to him at lightweight would start beating him?

If you think Duran beats those lightweights easier as he got older and matured ... then he clearly wasn't at his best back then.

How old does Roberto Duran have to be for the Ken Buchanan of 1972 to beat his @ss? When you find the answer, that's when Duran WAS NO LONGER as good as he was as a lightweight.

 

It proved that Hearns WAS BETTER than Duran.

That night Duran fought Hearns, if you dropped Duran in the ring with anyone he fought as a lightweight, would any of those lightweights beat him?

Does Ray Lampkin kick Duran's @ss if that 153 pound Duran showed up across the ring from him? Or does Lampkin get killed in a couple rounds instead of 13?

Roberto Duran was fine that night against Hearns.

Hearns was just better. MUCH better.

 

No, Duran started fighting in the lightweight division in 1971 and left for good in 1978. As early as 1972, more than half his fights each year were ABOVE the lightweight limit.

If you followed boxing back then, you'd know most people thought Duran stayed at the weight TOO LONG because, by his mid 20s, he was having problems making the weight.

Actually, I miscounted earlier. If you go back and look at how many times Duran actually fought between 130 and 135 during those seven years, the number of times is really 20 TIMES.

So he fought in the lightweight division 20 times ... out of 119 fights.

Basically 20 percent of his career. 80 percent wasn't.

That doesn't make him a "career" lightweight. By any stretch.

 

Here's where you guys spend too much time talking about fantasy fights.

Robert Duran actually stood across the ring from these four guys and came out fighting at the bell.

If 5'7" 135-pound Ken Buchanan (in his plaid trunks) was standing in one corner opposite you, and 6'1" 160-pound WBC middleweight champ Iran Barkley was standing in the other ...

Who do you think would be easier to beat? Seriously? I know who Darrin Van Horn would rather fight.

And then you put 5'4" 135-pound Esteban DeJesus in one corner and 5'10" 154-pound undefeated champ Davey Moore in the other ...

Who'd you pick? I know who Wilfred Benitez would've picked.

If you matched Barkley, Moore, Buchanan and DeJesus against each other, weight differences and all, who do you think wins that round-robin? It won't be either Buchanan or DeJesus, that's for damn sure.

Duran's wins over Leonard, Palomino, Moore, Barkley and Cuevas were much more impressive. Those five guys would've stomped the hell out of anyone Duran fought at Lightweight.

 

Oh, I was wondering why someone who has proven knowledge was coming up with a terrible post