Lesnar proves that WWE/Pro Wrestlers own MMA

I bet you 100$ that a guy who knows wrestling will win 9/10 times. Boxers don't know how to sprawl. Wrestler takes a low outside leg shot takes it to the ground and grinds it out everytime. Boxer won't be able to do anything. If you throw in BJJ in there boxers gets his limbs broken and and choked out within minutes.

Skill and expertise can be a minimal factor in the a street fight? Are you serious? Go to youtube and type "boxers vs thugs" im just guessing, I've never searched that before, but I'll bet you'll find videos a boxer ****ing people up left and right. Boxing(striking in general) will be much better in 1 vs many brawls than wrestling or BJJ.

 

ufoalf is right

 

Dude, a grappler wouldn't want to trade with a Boxer obviously. And a guy that has ONLY Boxing training, wouldn't know how to stop a takedown from a guy that has trained Wrestling, BJJ, or Judo.

 

You know what, you might be right about Lytle. But im not sure how he did it. The guy works as a full-time firefighter and is raising a family.

And another thing is, I honestly dont value black belts significantly. Sure its great to have but fighters with lesser belts and even no belts at all have been able to beat black belts. Many black belts are unable to transition their game to MMA. Case in point, Alberto Crane who has been mediocre in the UFC and even allowed high school wrestler Roger Huerta outhustle him on the ground. There are some guys like Big Nog and Penn who can transition their BJJ into MMA, but there are far too many who cant.

And if it werent for Couture coming out of retirement for a huge fight we would be talking about a possible Kongo/Lesnar fight. Remember the Assuerio Silva fight with Kongo. Kongo had absolutely no ground game. In fact, he looked like a fish out of water. If Silva could do anything on the ground he would have defeated Kongo but Kongo was able to stand up long enough to swipe rounds. Kongo is tailor made for Lesnar and the fact that Kongo would be his next opponent is just living proof that the UFC are trying to build Lesnar up. I dont blame them though. Its just smart business.

 

Well just because you train in BJJ, Muay Thai doesnt mean you're good at it. But dont get me wrong i'd rather be very well-rounded like Fedor, Couture, GSP as opposed to a great boxer like Pavlik, Haye etc. Just because im familiar wherever the fight happens to go.

However, i'd rather have a skillset of an elite boxer as opposed to a mediocre MMA fighter or a One-dimensional BJJ or wrestler especially in a real fight just because striking is a more practical form of fighting in real fighting situations. I mean, lets be honest, would anybody actually want a skillset of a guy like Blake Bowman or Andy Wang as opposed to a monster like David Haye in a real fight? I'd go with Haye every single time.

Real fights are so unpredictable without predetermined rules, judges, environments, opponents, gameplans, refs etc. That is why Tito Ortiz lost a street fight to middleweight Lee Murray who was a one-dimensional kickboxer/boxer. Ortiz threw a combination and Murray used classic boxing techniques to avoid Ortizs flurry and land a flurry of his own which dropped Tito like a ton of bricks. Sure they are both trained fighters but if you put Murray in with Ortiz in MMA, Murray would get destroyed.

Like Couture said, "in a real fight, id rather keep the fight standing as long as possible." Gracie said the same thing. Ground fighting is impractical in many real life situations. Not to say it cant be effective but taking a fight to the ground leaves you vulnerable to attacks by others and the surface may not be tailored to ground fighting ie. concrete, rocks etc. Standing in a real fight leaves you with more options.

In conclusion, a real fight is just so unpredictable that im not even going to bother with these hypothetical who would win in a real fight situations.

 

You kind of contradicted yourself here. You say boxers cant sprawl and that a wrestler would win 9/10 times. But than you say striking is much more practical in a real fight.

So when you said a wrestler would win 9/10 times against a boxer in MMA than yes you are fairly accurate. But we also need to remember that strikers have defeated wrestlers on many occasions in MMA. But overall, wrestlers have much more of a success rate in MMA because of the ruleset.

In a real fight though, i'd rather have a striking background than a BJJ/wrestling background. They all can be useful in certain situations but striking is the most likely art to be implented in practical fighting situations.

 

Are we talking about MMA rules? Well than like I said earlier I agree with your logic.

But in a real fight, a wrestler is not going to know whether or not his opponent is a striker or ground fighter.

Just because you might be familiar with more disciplines does not make you invincible in real fighting situations. Nobody is saying that Fedor would lose to some hack on the street because he wouldnt. But if Fedor found himself in a flurry from Alexander Povetkin or David Haye, I wouldnt like Fedors chances. lol. Anybody can be beaten if you're in another fighters world.

 

I stated before that the situation would be the two fighters with the same level of skill sets. Thus having an elite Mixed Martial Artist or an elite Boxer. Or you can have a novice Mixed Martial Artist against a novice Boxer.

Ofcourse a street fight in unpredictable. But once someone engages with a Boxer in the street, they could usually tell if they're a Boxer or not by the way they're protecting themself, right? In my opinion, if a Wrestler or a BJJ guy saw that, he would immediately go for a takedown. Just my opinion.

 

No, I did not contradict myself at all. I think I made it pretty clear what situation I would favor wrestling, and what situation I would favor boxing. Read it over again until you get it.

 

Well, my point is hes not going to take the boxer down because you're so vulnerable on the ground in a street fight. You dont want to be that close and immobile to an opponent in a real fight. If Gracie, Couture, Penn, Rutten advise staying on their feet in a real fight than its probably the correct thing to do. Punches are thrown very quickly and I doubt the opponent would be able to have the time to disect the guys boxing stance and guard.

You need to differentiate between MMA and a real fight. A real fight is not going to consist of takedown attempts, sprawls, full-guards. Its highly unlikely that the fighters have the time or the room to takedown an opponent and put him in a submission especially since it may not even be safe to do so. A real fight is just entirely different than an MMA, boxing type setting. You dont know your opponent, you dont have time to gameplan, your mindset is just completely different.

Look at that clip with the Turkish boxer KO'ing 4 guys in a street fight. Its on youtube. Do you think Royce Gracie could do that? Probably not.

 

Ok, so you're saying boxers are more effecitive against multiple opponents. That I can agree with.

But you say that a wrestler/BJJ fighter has an advantage in a REAL FIGHT over a striker? This I completely disagree. In MMA, you have a point as wrestlers/BJJ fighters are more successful than many other disciplines. But in a real fight, im sorry but being able to submit someone on nice comfortable mats without the fear of groin strikes, eye gouging, rabbit punching, fish hooks is entirely different than a real fight. Not to mention, the environment may simply not be tailored to ground fighting. Its what Royce Gracie, Renzo Gracie, Randy Couture, Bas Rutten, BJ Penn have said numerous times. Striking is the most practical form of fighting in real life situations. There is obviously times where you might have to use other skills but striking ends fights quickly and leaves you with more options. If I knock someone out, at least im still on my feet so I can avoid the situation entirely. When im mixing it up with somebody on the ground, im stuck there and am leaving myself quite open for getting a nice sharp pool cue shoved up my bum.

 

Umm, I dunno about you but I'll spot a boxers as soon as he prepares to fight. If he's alone fighting me, I'll get it to the ground before he gets a chance to lay a punch.

How many times do we have to say, IF IT IS ONE VERSUS MANY, STRIKING SKILL WILL BE BETTER. Are you thick or just cant read? And boxing won't be the best, Mui Thai would be better.

 

I don't think you know any of the above really to speak for them. Whatever they said, you either missinterpreting or taking out of context.
You won't be able to do **** once a wrestler takes you down no matter how good of a boxer you are. He will stay on top, he will avoid your little cheap **** eye gauging(its not that hard believe me, I've been in exact same situation). From there he can do w/e the hell he wants. Either grind your face into the concrete, choke you etc etc.

 

stfu (all of you)

 

Touche.