Lesnar proves that WWE/Pro Wrestlers own MMA

Well congratulations, you could spot a boxer while Tito Ortiz, Oleg Tekterov and Don Frye couldnt. They got their asses kicked by well umm...Boxers in REAL FIGHTS. Where were the takedowns?

I love Muay Thai but boxing would be better facing multiple attackers. Muay Thai fighters cannot utilize their hands as effectively as boxers can. And attempting kicks leaves you off balance and vulnerable to be taken down. Id rather be stationary throwing punches than attempting spinning back kicks.

Do you even understand what im saying? The point im trying to make is that in a REAL FIGHT which isnt MMA or boxing or Muay Thai striking is the most practical form of fighting. And ground fighting can be completely ineffective in these REAL LIFE SITUATIONS. Not only are you in close contact with your opponent where he can resort to dirty tactics such as eye gouging, rabbit punching, fish hooks and groin strikes but you run the risk of him possibly using weaponry ie. knives etc. Secondly, the last thing you want to be doing is rolling on rock hard concrete, rocks as you will do a pretty bad number on your knees, elbows, hands. This is obviously dependant on the environment in which the fight is taking place. Lastly, if you take someone down you are completely vulnerable to other attackers. Do you really want to be looking for a gogoplata when 5-6 of your opponents friends are about to rip your head off? I sure dont. Striking simply leaves you with more attackers. The MMA fighters who have been involved in street fights didnt survive through BJJ, wrestling or Judo, they survived primarily through striking. Faber is a prime example.

When the creators of BJJ admit that BJJ can be ineffective in many real life situations ill take their word over yours. The fact that you think in an unpredictable environment without predetermined judges, refs, opponents, gameplans, rules that you can determine your opponents fighting style and than formulate a gameplan to defeat that style in split seconds is absolutely laughable. Im sorry to tell you this but REAL FIGHTS do not resemble your typical MMA fights. A real fight is not going to be determined through takedowns, lay and pray and the amount of hammerfists you throw from the persons guard. LOL.

 

lol, yea you're good at taking stuff out of the context.

I started reading your retort but I rapidly realized you still lack in reading/comprehension skills.

 

Randy Couture said these exact words on the SCORE television network which is a Canadian television station. "I'd try to keep the fight standing to avoid scraping elbows, knees etc" EXACT WORDS.

Read Renzo Gracies book about BJJ. He says BJJ is effective in an MMA style format but in a real fight can be ineffective depending on the environment. As we've already established BJJ cannot fight multiple attackers neither can wrestlers but striking CAN. And BJJ according to him is not practical in certain real life fighting situations. And ive mentioned the reasons for it many times but you're too stubborn to acknowledge or even critique my points because you're just going with the popular and inaccurate assumption that an MMA fighter will just take them down and pound them out.

What you think Liddell would do? Take the boxer down in a real fight? HAHA. He hasnt attempted to take a fight to the ground in 10 years with the exception of one takedown attempt against the exhausted Silva in December.

MMA is a SPORT, just like boxing. They are forms of sport entertainment. Sure they are both combat sports but none of them come close to resembling a REAL FIGHT. If you think a REAL fight is as simple as taking your opponent down and pounding them out than you're obviously mistaken. Because if it was that simple Ortiz would have beat Murray, Tekterov would have beat Toney.

 

Ive addressed every single one of your points. Just because you cant refute my points doesnt mean you have to resort to name calling.

Grow up.

 

Pretty much sums it all up.

 

lol, you actually didn't. All you did is prove that you take **** out of context. Read in detail everyone of those fights, see how many people were ready to jump in, see who drank few too many. Educate yourself. Read exactly what I SAID and not what you WANT to THINK that I said. Then come talk to me.

 

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I completely disagree.

Your mindset will definitely be different. But once on the ground, it's a wrap for the Boxer in my opinion. That's like a fish out of water basically. While the MMA guy would be much more comfortable there.

 

But thats if the fight goes to the ground. Thats what im saying. Real fights may not go to the ground because the fighter may not choose to go to the ground nor may he not have enough room or the environment may not be suitable for ground fighting.

Nobody is denying that a boxer would be ineffective on the ground. When I say boxer I mean a boxer without experience in other disciplines. Because there are quite a few boxers with pretty damn good wrestling credentials, some of whom have better wrestling credentials than some of the fighters we see at a high level in MMA. BUT thats beside the point. LOL.

I feel like ive said the same thing in every post. The point im trying to make is that it is no given that a real fight will end on the ground. If the fight stays on its feet its only logical to favour the fighter who has been blocking, avoiding, slipping, parrying punches for 3 decades as opposed to the MMA fighter with a wrestling background and low-level amatuer boxing skills. Saying that every MMA fighter would take the fight to the ground in a REAL fighting situation is just ridiculous. Like I mentioned earlier, fighters like Alexander, Liddell, Jardine, A. Silva & W. Silva, Davis, Noons are strikers. They rarely fight on the ground, the majority of their victories are by KO and they prefer to keep the fight standing. Not to mention well-rounded fighters like Penn, GSP, Fedor feel comfortable in their striking skills that they would feel comfortable using them if they had to in a real fight. If these kinds of fighters got in an altercation with a boxer in a real fighting situation they'd most likely exchange with them NOT knowing that their opponent is a proficient pugilist and they'd most likely get absolutely wrecked just like Tito Ortiz did.

LOL, overall who cares. They are both great sports to watch especially at its highest level. MMA fighter beats boxer in MMA, Boxer beats MMA fighter in boxing. Who really cares about who would win in a real fight because we will never know. Its very unlikely David Haye and Anderson Silva come across each other at a bar and have an altercation. Its silly to talk about and I regret wasting so much of my time doing it. I just saw some ignorant posts in this thread and thought it was my moral obligation to respond.

If you guys keep responding ill probably go on forever. I wont stop. So its in your best interests to just call it a draw and move on.:good

 

Haha, you're putting too many "ifs" into the subject. "What if there's no room for the takedown?" "The enviroment may not be suited for ground fighting." Etc.

Let me set a clear scene...

Two guys. One with solid MMA training for only a year. The other with solid Boxing training for only a year. Each KNOWS what the other is capable of. It's strictly one-on-one. But it's a street fight, so anything goes like headbutts, groin shots, etc. Oh, and there's room for takedowns and ground fighting, haha.

Who wins?

 

Takedowns followed by repeated headbutts while holding a **** choke is a completely viable strategy in a streetfight, and I have the vagina like scar on my knee to prove it.

 

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The worst part about it isn't that Brock Lesnar won or anything. It's that Brock Lesnar would probably destroy any HW boxer in a fight.

Wladimir Klitschko would lose to Brock Lesnar, most likely. Especially with his new jab and jab and slap for 50 minutes style.