hi i live in toronto and i have boxed on and off for 15 years i guess and i have also done other combat sports like bjj,wrestling and a bit of muay thai... i am 28 and as i have grown up i have noticed there are less boxing gyms then when i started and before i started there were more boxing gyms then when i started and i started to think of why...... first mma and other martial arts/sports are not really to blame boxing coaches are...... i always had a strong passion for boxing and many of friends are also into boxing/mma etc but here is the thing i have noticed from my own experience and of others i have spoken too... the reason less boxing gyms are capable of being open are the ****ing so called coaches we have in north america. example: many guys come to start boxing and are all happy but that happiness quickly goes away when day after day you have some grumpy old and usually over weight guy telling you..."yeah kid go hit the back for 6 round and show box before that" once in a while he might come tell use the jab more lol if your lucky and if you compete then once a ****ing week he might give you a couple rounds of pad work..... but most of the time you could be doing everything wrong but as long as thumping the heavy way or skipping it's all good..... i remember i brought quite a few of my friends into the boxing gyms i trained at and they got feed up after a few mouths and left...some of these guys were tough guys with potental.... i remember when i was about 21 or so i got feed up as well after years of this and i started doing brazilian jiu-jitsu and my first class was an eye opener.... here i was paying the same as in boxing but i was actually being taught moves, we drilled the moves, sparred, had 2 coaches walking around fixing mistakes, this was my start.... as i got better and better, and did less classes....the coaches still came around fixed the mistakes and give advice even to the most advanced guys and we worked on stuff etc.... i did bjj for about 4 years straight and still go here and there, when i did wrestling and thai boxing, i noticed again in those sports from beginners to advancedd fighters were still paid attention too. even in non mma martials(mma martial arts aka those that work lol are bjj,boxing,wrestling,thai boxing and sometimes judo,sambo or kyoushin etc) so even in stuff like takewondo and karate which does not work well, you still have someone paying attention to you and teaching, point is you still getting something for you money.... back to boxing my fav sport and the one i am the most skilled at, i go to the gym and pay 100 dollars a mouth to hit a ****ing heavy bag and teach my friend because the coach sit around doing nothing....but complain about not getting any students... they even sometimes give me angry looks if i try help out a beginner by giving tips etc..... dont blame mma, in fact i have noticed a lot of students sign up to boxing now because of mma....reason being they want to have good hands for that sport.... these coaches dont really coach anything and people get bored and frustrated and leave, and other go to these other sports where they are treated some that matters... and the ones that stay often are not that well schooled and it is one the reason why you have better schooled europeans schooling fighters from here, because boxing is quite different there but as a result of having less great fighters, the sports gets less popular... remember this is not 1950 where you have to prove something to some fat coach so you can actually start getting something for the money you paid to train there, these days johhnny nobody will just go to the muay thai school across the street and you won't money to pay rent...end of story i hope you have some comments thanks
As I said in the other thread... It sounds like you've just had some bad personal experiences (and ultimately, anecdotal and not necessarily reflective of the experiences of everyone who hooks up with a boxing coach...just as there are some disgruntled crappy public school teachers and some really quality dedicated ones).
Undoubtedly there are some bad coaches, but I know people who have trained at 3 different clubs where I grew up (Liverpool) and none of them ever had complaints about their trainers, one lad was a golden gloves winner and represented england in amateurs. I think IB got it right, you have obviously been unlucky to get a shitty trainer and the fact that you had such a good ju-jitsu trainer doesnt mean they are better than boxing trainers just that you should find a new gym and a new trainer for boxing.
In the states a good amount of the boxing programs are funded by the city municipalities. A boxing gym is expensive to run, and unless you have managers or promoters working out of that gym to support it, you rely on the city to fund it. The cities are getting less and less involved in boxing and more into team sports like baseball, football basketball etc. Thats whats been closing down a lot of gyms in the states lately.
:deal Agreed every Boxing gym ive been to in Southern California has had good coaches. I learned even more in my adult years training with a friend who was a former pro Boxer that was one on one or at the most another guy in the gym. Maybe you should look into that.
yeah i do agree there are lots of good gyms, espically in the states...not to mention european and latin countries i guess i was talking more about gyms here in toronto,ontario the thing is that i bring 15 guys who will tell almost the same thing i have written