Let us relive one of the best fights- Mayweather vs Baldomir

ok but he should of at least tried not saying he had to knock him out

 

margo was bigger stronger hit harder and had legendary stamina

 

Mayweather vs Baldomir was one of TBE's worst fights. What a mismatch that hasn't been seen in ages. The Mayweather boys propped up Baldomir as a more lethal version of Antonio Margarito thus justifying Floyd ducking of Antonio. But they don't seem to want to face the reality that just 4 months before Baldomir was being out boxed for 6 rounds by a completely shot to pieces Arturo Gatti before finally stopping Arturo.! I mean really Floyd?

 

Margarito by devastating Ko in 9

 

IB and acie thanks for getting back...When I first considered it I thought Margarito hands down...but after a little consideration, and a quick watch of Baldo's fight with Clottey, I thinking Baldomir would have been a legit handful for Margarito. I agree Baldomir would have an edge in accuracy...and that could very well be the difference. Either way they are both on par with each other imo...Margo is not on a different level by any stretch.

 

When ringsiders are getting up & walking out in the 9th round . The crowd booing continuously throughout the fight. Not many there agreed with you I'm afraid IB. All Baldomir had going for him was the win over Judah he should never have been in there.
I never rated Mayweather because of his obvious lack of heart & cojones. Now the IV scandal has erupted that leaves an even fouler smell over his career. Ask a doctor & a nurse like I did what condition a man would be in to need 750 ml of saline drip because of "dehydration & dark urine " :good

 

750 ml of Xylocaine injected in each hand. Given right before you wrap your hands. But no sooner than 45 minutes before the fight.

 

He would be a walking carcass! A dead man walking basically.

 

Hit harder, yes (but again, with Badly's chin, not so much of a factor). I'm not sure that size and strength really come into play, as Baldomir was able to compete effectively as high north as 168lbs, and Margarito had very mixed success even at 154lb, going 4-3 and losing his three biggest fights (Santos II, Cotto II, and Pacquiao). Margarito was someone who relied on being the bigger stronger man in the ring to be effective, and that was only ever the case for him at welterweight, his effectiveness taking a nosedive just with another seven pounds' climb. Baldomir on the other hand fought on even terms with Billi Facundo Godoy, then unbeaten, a big strong natural middleweight who is fringe world class, and Godoy only defeated Baldomir via home cooking and was never able to bully him around or keep him on the backfoot.

So we're down to stamina - which Baldomir also had in spades, again for being a podgy looking sort and never as ripped as Margarito. That is really Marg's biggest calling-card (more so than his power, or chin, or even size) - his ability to maintain a very high work rate and not tire. Well, newsflash: Baldomir threw 670 punches against Mayweather. That is eighteen more than Margarito threw against PAUL WILLIAMS in a fight renowned for how much leather was flying around in both directions. The only welterweight contest in which Margarito threw more in a night was against Luján. (and Luján spent the entire 2nd half of the night with that ear injury, from the sixth onward, getting more grotesque and debilitating as it wore on...and Luján still managed to chuck 695 punches of his own at Margarito through all that pain)

Now we have chewed through every conceivable predisposed advantage all the way to the chewy center of this match-up: styles.

Baldomir is slower than Margarito (which is saying something), that's true - and on the surface would seem damning since he is also the lighter hitter. He throws better punches from a technical standpoint, however (for example, his right hand is much straighter...and his jab is nicer and more carefully aimed). He is also very awkward, which combined with his chin might be enough to frustrate Margarito into abandoning headhunting and reverting to his inner Mexican banger's stock & trade: body punching. In a close-quarters battle with Baldomir throwing pretty but pit-pat shots at Margarito's face and Margarito thumping away on Baldomir's ribs, it could boil down to what the particular judges on the night prefer stylistically, or are more inclined to pay attention to. Some judges do like and reward body punching, true. Many don't. Of the latter group, they might be inclined to swing points Baldomir's way even if they're ordinarily not the sort of judge to reward the lighter hitter for their less damaging point-scoring touches, just because of their prejudice for head shots over body punches. Baldomir wouldn't exactly have to go looking for Margarito - he would be in range and not using any head movement, so Baldomir's lack of speed is a non-issue. He'll be landing clean for all the judges to see on Margarito's face all night. Hell, despite not packing much pop he might even open some cuts (Margarito was cut in several fights in his career...and how many times was he forced to have a prolonged battle of attrition on the inside with someone whose toughness meant he couldn't just bully them around once he got to work inside? The longer they stay in the trenches, the higher the probability that Margo's paper skin betrays him...)

 

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Very hard to pick fight if you actually scrutinize it.

Easy to see why people just dismiss it as being a whitewash for Margarito, but I feel it really isn't.

 

:-(

Do you care about credibility?

 

Mayweather/Baldomir was so damn good the fans celebrated by doing the moonwalk en-masse.

 

I care about consistency. :conf

My take on this fight has been the same for nine years now.

There was a thread I made about the scoring and how it was my 'controversial' opinion that not only was Clottey on his way to a dominant rout of Margarito, but could've walked away even as it was either with the W or a draw. (I think my card was the latter) couple of months later...but all content from prior to June 2007 has unfortunately been purged to clear up server-space, it seems...

 

From a credibility stand point at the time of the fight Margarito was a fringe WBO WW Champ at a time when nobody acknowledged it was have life and death fights's few years before vs Santos, Baldomir was fighting the same level of competition was unbeaten at WW for a decade culminating in his upset of the Undisputed WW Champ in Judah who was without question the man.

Who is more credible like I said look at there careers after that Tony lost the fight he was signed to vs Williams, got his only big win a year or 2 later and followed it up by being caught cheating and getting KO'd in every fight after. Baldomir fought fringe and top rated contenders from 147-68, also fought competitively and didn't get stopped til he was 40.

Just look at career comp regardless of result Baldomir has the tougher ledger, Margarito would get smashed by those guys.

 

Stamina doesn't mean the ability to just throw punches. Tired fighters can still throw punches. A soft punch still registers on the compubox.

But a high stamina fighter maintains his power, focus, balance, chin, speed, etc. throughout a fight.

That is what Margarito was great at. Most fighters would lose their attributes as the fight went on. But Margarito was great at delaying that.