Lets be honest. Muhammad Ali is good, but not that great...

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  1. cuchulain

    cuchulain Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So much insight, so much boxing knowledge in one post.

    Yea, a second Daniel !

    You need to turn that precision lens on to some of the other casual hype jobs...Duran, SRR, Louis, Greb, SRL etc.

    The casual fans on the forum need to hear the truth.
     
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  2. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Well-Known Member booted Full Member

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    I always have them in my top 10 but Moore was more of a "pioneer" in a sense and holds the all time KO record so I rate him higher. Outside of the top 3 I find the top 10 to be rather interchangeable.
     
  3. Oddone

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    You’re not just a clown, you are the entire circus. On the off chance this isn’t simply a moronic trolling thread designed for the sole purpose of pissing people off, I’ll add my two cents:

    What made Clay/Ali the goat has nothing to do with his loss column. Marciano never lost and most don’t even rate him a top ten greatest heavyweight. What made Ali the greatest was his heart, the amount of “fight” in the man. It was widely believed that Sonny Liston was going to kill him, literally, in the ring...so much so that journalists had memorized the quickest path to the hospital. Ali took the best Liston had to offer, even getting an unknown substance in his eyes which blinded him, and still went out and fought. Blind. He literally COULD NOT SEE and still went out to fight against the most murderous puncher of the times.

    Ali after fighting an unconstitutional draft, came back to fight wars against Frazier. Where most men and fighters would have given up, Ali kept pressing forward. After losing he fixed his mistakes and beat Frazier. George Foreman was also supposed to beat Ali into retirement, Ali took his tremendous size and used it against him, to score the win. I will also note that you stated he didn’t hit hard, but beat those who did. Even you have to learn something from that.

    Ali showed the best of what makes a man great. He never gave up, always beloved in himself and beat those who had beaten him. Final note, three of his losses were past the end of his career when he was fighting to pay off the IRS.
     
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  4. cuchulain

    cuchulain Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well, he has reeled in quite a few in just a few hours.

    I think he has promise.
     
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  5. fistsof steel

    fistsof steel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nearly 4 Years of His Prime was taken from Him...fought in possibly the Greatest era of Heavyweight Boxing we have ever seen...3 of His last losses were when he was showing early stages of Parkinsons disease possibly the saddest thing I have ever seen in Boxing should never have been allowed to happen....and he was around 38 or 39 in those losses....and he was never TKOd in his hole career.....this will go down as the worst post of 2019 Congratulations.!!!
     
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  6. john roberts

    john roberts Member Full Member

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    When you talk about a fighter you normally talk about them at their best.eg no point talking about Ali Holmes or Berbick because he’s way past his best in fact shell of a man, like many fighters you don’t talk about Tyson / Mcbride because he isn’t the same fighter. so when a thread is opened saying Ali ain’t so good and people quoting this fight and that you have to look at all the ins and outs and the point is Ali when was fighting Norton he was 4-5 years away from his prime of speed and reflexes, when fighting at elite level any dip in speed, reflexes, and stamina makes a massive difference, And it was a big dip between 67 to 73 of those attributes so the point is wheather you like it or not Ali had to change his whole style of fighting in the seventies because of the decline of these skills he had when prime, you know it,I know it, every real boxing fan knows it that isn’t trolling, so once again Ali destroys Norton by wide UD in prime instead of wafer thin SD when way past best. OBVIOUS.
     
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  7. john roberts

    john roberts Member Full Member

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    Not diminishing anything, he did have quite a bit in the tank but the speed lateral and side to side movement was gone which would have sorted Norton out . Ali fought differently in the seventies, and the qualities Ali had in his prime to beat Norton convincingly had been diminished considerably FACT, he was now using a new set of tools which brought the gap closer between them.
     
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  8. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Well-Known Member booted Full Member

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    He lost to Frazier and that's it in that period. He didn't decline that much, cmon now. Everyone ages, that's a bull**** excuse considering Norton was 1 year younger and by the way, had very little top level experience facing Ali initially. He beat him every time. Ali got robbery decisions on him twice, just like you'll paper over how he robbed Henry Cooper of a KO victory. He beat Frazier and Foreman following the first two Norton fights. You going to say he wasn't a capable boxer at the time who was shot? I reckon these guys could have beaten him regardless of age. You lose your reflexes with age, not ring experience, in fact they should improve. These excuses you've come out with are just nonsense.
     
  9. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Well-Known Member booted Full Member

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    No, he used his tools quite the same, Norton neutralised it. His movement and particularly nullifying Ali's jab ruined Ali's gameplan. Norton was just a bad style matchup.
     
  10. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    you're ****ing ******ed
     
  11. The Professor

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    Mediocre at best. I'm contemplating a ban, along with deletion of this crap thread, what do you think? :D
     
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  12. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Tyler went away. Tyler's gone. Staff Member

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    Or we could let him take his licks and serve as the proverbial head on a spike to warn off his fellow denizens of the sludge beneath the rocks from crawling out and mucking our forum with this stuff. :D

    But either way, yeah, mediocre.

     
  13. john roberts

    john roberts Member Full Member

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    You are having a laugh against cooper he was a 19 fight novice clowning around, in the next fight he soundly beat him, against Frazier he had been out of the ring for 4 years, Ali only had a couple of fights before jumping in with joe and lost, then went on to whup him while past his real prime too.I never said Ali was shot just lost a step or two on his prime attributes that would have IMO beat most fighters he lost too after that prime, stop making things up .no papering cracks just facts, lol
     
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  14. BCS8

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    All-time? :lol: No.
     
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  15. Somali Sanil

    Somali Sanil Well-Known Member Full Member

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    We would mate, its getting silly this Ali exaggerating ..I suppose we can thank Ali for Marciano, SRR, Louis too ??? Boxing had its stars before Ali
     
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