Let's bust some myths for AJ and Usyk

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  1. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    After seeing a lot of stupid opinion, let's bust some myths:
    First fight:
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    Second fight:
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    Statistically Usyk threw 183 punches more in the rematch compare to the first fight. Usyk also landed 170 punches compare to 148 in the first fight.

    AJ actually throw a lot less now, he throw 149 less punches and landed 1 punches more. Yeah that is better in terms of success, but he tried to pace himself better, yet that didn't happen again.

    Compubox mean s***** we all know that, but i just use it as a comparison.


    In the first fight Usyk took a break in round 5 and 6(let's call it like that), this time Usyk took a break in the 8th and 9th(let Joshua blew up his gas tank), and took from the 10th.

    Another comparison is the last 3 round 10-12:
    In the first fight Usyk threw 164 punches and landed 54 punches.
    In the rematch Usyk threw 232 punches and landed 79 punches.

    Yeah Usyk is "definitely" washed up.

    Will continue to bust myths in the comment section.
     
  2. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    AJ chin. It's perfectly fine. He took a lot of flush shots from Usyk, took his best shots and stay on his feet for 24 rounds, which is incredible.
    He took a huge left hook counter bomb(counter punches feel like 2x harder compare to normal flush, cause you are going forward) from Whyte, and stay on his feet, unlike Chisora who was a great chin, but Whyte KO him cold.
    He took Klitschko bombs, and there was a lot and manage to not only finish the fight on his fee, but also won it.
    He took huge hooks from Povetkin and didn't go down. Actually adapt, goes to the body, lure Povetkin to lower his guard and KO him.


    Ruiz KO him because of the counter left hook to the temple that concussion him and he was gone after that punch. This is nothing related to weak chin. He still managed to get up and fight with zero cardio, being concussion and with his legs not being right, due to the huge counter hook.
    AJ rematch him straight away and school him 12-0. People didn't give him credit, because they are ignorant blinded fanboys.

    Like Lewis rematch against McCall wasn't a complete joke, but somehow people are forgetting he was KO cold twice.

    Anyway i digress.

    Let me continue with the nonsenses that AJ doesn't know how to use his physicality and it's bad in the clinches.
    Yet somehow he was perfectly fine against Klitschko, and when hurt Klitschko continue to bomb him, and manhandle him, when Klitschko tried to clinch when was hurt.
    He manhandle Takam with ease. He manhandle Breazeale with ease.
    He actually destroyed Whyte with ease, and manhandle him like he is a kid. Same Whyte that was backing Fury up in the clinches.
    He manhandle Ruiz and was setting him up after leave the clinches and was landing on will after a clinch.
    Same with Pulev, who is actually a very strong guy in the clinches and know what he is doing.

    What people don't get is that it's a super hard to clinch, and put a hold on a mover like Usyk, because Usyk is not going in and out, aka forward/backwards, so you can hold on him easily, Usyk is using lateral movement, he is constantly circle around you, left and right and it's never a static target. If you try to clinch him, he is just not there, and you will be out of position and in his punching range and you going to eat hard counters.

    Same thing will happen to Fury, and i will laugh my **** off then.
     
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  3. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Another big myth that i want to bust, is that AJ did so so so so much better this time around.
    Eh, he was better, an improved fighter, and he did try to have even tighter defense, his movement was great, he was changing level, his counter was on point(they always are), his body punches(the biggest improvement) was insanely good, very fast and fluid, insanely powerful and explosive.

    But in terms of success in the ring, not so much.

    The first fight AJ won exactly the round 5,6 and 8th. I think everyone can agree with that. You can't give him any other rounds.
    This time he won Round 2, 8 and 9. This was clear rounds for him, and i have 6 as a even round.
    So eh, he almost won 1 round more, or at best he won 1 round more .....

    I'm wondering where is the big guru Robert Garcia, that was non-stop in front of camera explaining how AJ will stop Usyk, how Usyk is literally no match for him, how many mistake AJ was doing before, how his camp wasn't great before, how AJ is so much stronger, powerful, so much bigger, has longer reach, height, weight, and that he will beat Usyk, almost with ease, and all that crap.

    I'm wondering why he is not showing his face on camera right now, like he was doing it before the bout ?
     
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  4. Kiwi_in_America

    Kiwi_in_America The Tuaminator Full Member

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    Perceptive comments, Losh.

    So you think Usyk will defeat Fury?
     
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  5. Entaowed

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    Thanks man but I have some questions that maybe you know better than me on:

    1) When you say Compubox #s mean #@%&: do you mean that you believe they are wrong or even wildly inaccurate?
    Because if so, how can you base any reasonable conclusions on them?
    Or do you mean that other things matter for scoring-effectiveness, power, ring generalship...
    But your language seems to indicate they are very wrong.

    2) IF so, why do you think so?
    Have you recorded the blows differently than them?

    3) For the sake of argument if they are correct-do you believe that punches landded correlate strongly with rounds won?
    And in these 2 fights-if you just used who landed the most punches, it is a draw in the first fight, & 9 rounds for Usyk in the second-assuming no penalties & no knockdowns & 10-9 rounds.
    Of course 10-8 rounds for dominance though no kd could adjust things...

    4) Usyk did not land a high% of blows, especially in this last fight.
    With such a big target & him seemingly so skilled, do you think he could be better at not missing?
    Which would give him more points & be less tiring.
    Or is AJ really hard to nail flush due to his size & athleticism, despite called still & robotic?

    Thanks in advance for your analyses!
     
  6. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Power punches by compubox doesn't mean ****. A punch can have nothing behind it, but if it's not a jab it's a Power punch.
     
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  7. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    1. Compubox is inaccurate a*****. It's also easy to manipulate. One ****** is clicking a button when supposedly a shot is land. But it doesn't actually indicate how exactly the shot, was it partially blocked, wasn't it actually land or not.
    For example in Fury vs Whyte match, there was barely any punches landed, barely, yet it said that Whyte landed 30 and Fury 76.
    Look at this video, can you see even 30% of the so call shots actually land ?
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    I use it as a comparison, but i believe my eyes, and Usyk was throwing more this time, and landed more.

    I think that answer your question 2, but i can give you million more examples like both of GGG and Canelo fights for example.
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    Plenty of more as well. If the so call "clicker" is biased or it's tell or pay to be biased you get the picture, or simple click it wrongly, aka think or not think a punch land or not.

    3. Absolutely not.
    Another example Round 1 in AJ vs Usyk. Following compubox AJ outlanded Usyk by 1 shot or so, in reality though AJ landed barely 1 jab to the body, it was just a slight touch, as Usyk was dodging the shot, and AJ just touches him. Semi-landed right to the body, as Usyk deflect it, and it touches his outer part of his body. 1 light jab to the face, another jab to the body that usyk moved away, but it touches him slightly, light jab to the body(was set up for the right hand, that missed), blocked right hand that probably slightly touched Usyk to the belly.

    On the other hand Usyk land left straight, a jab after that, another jab, partially right hook, left straight, left to the body, but it touches him slightly, as AJ was getting away from it, repeat of the same, very hard jab, left straight to the head.

    This was pretty much the shots in Round 1. On paper compubox will probably mark most of AJ landed punches, but they were mostly deflected/dodged/blocked. But they could have touched Usyk, so compubox may have score some of them.
    Usyk on the other hand clearly land flush and hard shots that gives a reaction from AJ.
     
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  8. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    I feel Usyk looked amazing.
     
  9. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Let's not forget he had exactly 4 month to prepare, and was in Ukraine before that, where he couldn't train or eat properly and lost a lot of weight, that also had to gain it after that.
    Usyk team is no b.c. so i believe them when they said that.

    We are yet to see the best Usyk in the HW division. I hope he fights in December or early 2023 with 100% physically and mentally fit.
     
  10. UniversalPart

    UniversalPart Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree but while AJ did improve, Usyk just had another level and dimension to him.

    I think Joshua needs to go on a mini break, maybe America (where the media is not so toxic) and base himself. He can get more quality sparring out there and work on the new skills he has learned.

    Josbua is a sponge but he does revert back to his baseline very often; tight guard and following people around is one example. Another is trying repeatedly the uppercut and missinng, or falling in love with trying to find the perfect shot.

    Those perfect highlight reel KOs only work on bums and sub par competition. As you step up it becomes harder to achieving perfection.
     
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  11. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Yeah, but he also need fights to gain more experience from it. I think he is getting better with every single fight on his resume, whether is a win or lose, he learn something new.
     
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  12. FastLeft

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    I think Fury beats them both
    AJ is not good enough

    but Usyk is close to 50-50 with Fury
    Fury can move side to side too. really well. he is clever like Usyk
    will not surprise me if Usyk wins
    but

    Fury is usually underestimated. some actually thought Whyte might beat him but it has always been clear Whyte is so many levels below . Fury was expected to loss to Wlad & Wilder two times
     
  13. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Yeah i back Usyk, but there is a lot of X in there. When will they fight. Also where will Usyk be in-between that time, aka in Ukraine without much training and the right food, or he will stay somewhere else and will keep in shape.
    Also which referee will be and will he call Fury fouls and cheating, and will he be dare to take a point if needed.
     
  14. FastLeft

    FastLeft Well-Known Member Full Member

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    yes
    is nice to set up excuses beforehand
     
  15. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Excuses for what exactly. I was 100% honest and was not answering to you, you got no business even speaking about that on here.
    There is a big drama thread about who and how would win.
    As i said i was reply to someone.