Lets compare Gennady Golovkin to Ricardo Lopez

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  1. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Big fan of Finito and also my favorite boxer of all time as well as a fan of GGG. But let's get something straight.

    Lopez, much like GGG at the moment, was a dominant champion with an aesthetically pleasing style and great skills who ruled a weight division that was pretty much a wasteland and had no real competition. Maybe it had to do with just how good of a fighter he was and just made every fighters he fought look like amateurs, like GGG. He didn't even move up to Light flyweight until the very tail end of his career. And even then you have to wonder, what great fighters comes to mind on his resume? Probably Sorjuturong or Alvarez, but those names aren't much better than GGG's.

    People have been really critical about GGG's level of competition and his unwillingness to test himself above and beyond. But then you have Lopez who also didn't dare to be great above a weight class when there was guys like Gonzalez, Carbajal, Too Sharp Johnson, Arbachakov, Tapia, etc. just up north a few pounds. Yet Lopez has been hailed and lauded as "one of the greatest fighters ever", "perfect fighter", " most dominant champion", "undefeated", the praise goes on for him. I think it's unfair how Lopez gets much more respect while GGG gets an unfair treatment, despite Lopez as not being that much better as a dominant champion.
     
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  2. The Shockmaster

    The Shockmaster SOG has 4 children...he pulls out of nothing banned Full Member

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    ggg gets unfair treatment huh? thats a joke...his treatment is perfectly justified

    lets just say if his fanboys and such would just keep their mouths shut about other fighters....then ggg would get his due....and hed be fine

    but when these guys constantly pick on guys like floyd and ward...constantly poke holes in their resumes and everything they do...well then ggg fans bring his "treatment" on themselves
     
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  3. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Exactly it's their double standards that do them in. They say stuff like pbf was a cherry picker and never proved anything despite dominating the sport in 3 different decades through 5 weights against elite opposition. They want pbf to fight ggg but hide in the bathroom when someone tells them ggg should have fought ward. They want pbf to move up to his 6th division at 40 while they are perfectly fine with ggg staying in one feasting on no hopers like he's doing something.

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  4. Selina

    Selina Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Your question is very interesting but sadly there are only one explanation that comes to my mind - Hateboys can hate as much as they want, it is nothing to do with logic or rational thinking. It´s about enjoyment of hating other people and putting them down as much as possible because that makes them feel like cream of the crop.
     
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  5. Selina

    Selina Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Could you name one person who wants pbf to move 160? I know Hopkins and Ward asked Floyd to come to 160. But fans, never heard anything like that.

     
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  6. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    There was only one fighter worth it for Lopez to scale a weight division and that was Michael Carbajal and Lopez didn't do that because his stablemate "Chiquita" Gonzalez reigned there.
    Lopez and Gonzalez both were trained by Nacho Beristain and they considered themselves like brothers, much the way Meldrick Taylor and Pernell Whitaker were as they never fought eachother for the same reasons.

    Anyways, Gonzalez got first crack at Carbajal and got knocked out in a fight of the year type of classic that screamed for a rematch.
    They ended up fighting eachother 3 times.

    I dont think Finito's caliber should be questioned, just watch his fights, and he did take on and beat a great fighter in his own right Rosendo Alvarez. They fought twice, the first fight was stopped on cuts and ruled a draw, they rematched right away and though Lopez won by split decision, I thought Lopez clearly beat Alvarez.
    Jerry Roth had it on the money 116-112.

    After Lopez retired, Alvarez went on to rule 108 lbs for many years which magnifies that Lopez' reign of greatness was legit.


    Let me also ad that in those days, the little guys got paid peanuts no matter the risk. There wasn't really any incentive for Lopez to attempt to climb weight divisions when fights for real money weren't be presented to little guys like him.
    Boxing insiders salivated at a possible matchup between Lopez and Mark Johnson who reigned a couple of weight classes above Lopez comfort zone.
    Real money was never offered Lopez to make that climb, nor was it offered to Johnson.
    Little guys in those days rarely scaled weight divisions because there wasn't any incentive for them.
     
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  7. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    The criticism of Mayweather holds value.

    There's a list of fighters he didn't fight during his era.
    Tszyu, Margarito, Williams, Cotto before being dismantled by Margarito. That was during Mayweather's physical prime.

    Fight fans will never forget that Mayweather stalled 5 years to get in the ring with Manny Pacquiao. By the time he fought Pacquiao, he had already been schooled and then KTFO by Marquez.
    That in a nutshell takes a lot of credibility away from Mayweathers win over Pacquiao later.
    Then you have Mayweather bypassing a fighter with size and speed in Amir Khan and chosing to fight fighters on losing streaks who's styles we've already seen Mayweather conquer.
    Choosing Andre Berto over Amir Khan, are you ****ing kidding me???

    As good as I'll admit Mayweather was, he's also without a doubt the cherry picker of the era and nobody comes a close second.
     
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    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    When Sergio Martinez was at the top of his game, he called out Mayweather many times and he was willing to drop to 154 lbs to get the fight made.
    Meanwhile in Mayweather's camp? Crickets! :deal
     
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  9. Pimp C

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    The very fact you bring up zoo shows me that you have no credibility when discussing pbf. Tell me how and when could a fight with zoo and pbf could have taken place? You're aware that pbf was hbo and zoo was showtime but yet it's pbfs fault the fight didn't happen right? Then you blame pbf for margo and cotto when I could very easily post the espn article that states that pbf agreed to fight those two but arum low balled pbf this was a quote from arum himself. Lastly you blame pbf for ducking pac when a video I posted last week that has roach saying the reason why the fight didn't take place was because they didn't want testing and it was their fault the fight didn't happen back then but yeah blame pbf again right??? You know more than an actual insider right? Log off.

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  10. Pimp C

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    He also called out pac to and heard nothing but crickets but you don't mention him now do you.

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  11. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'm not pointing the finger on why a fight did or didn't get made, but when you have a good size list of very good fighter that Mayweather didn't fight, then you reach for the common denominator that there my friend is Floyd Mayweather Jr.

    There's talk right now that Mayweather will fight Garcia in the fall!
    That there style my friend has been conquered, but Mayweather continues to attempt to make fights with fighters we all know have the limitations that make fights easy for Floyd.

    Why didn't Mayweather fight a fighter that's his size and faster than he is?
    Would'nt you want to see Mayweather bring out his bag of skills against a fighter who holds some physical advantages instead of him fighting the same recycled style of a not so quick and fast fighter who will just stand there and look to head hunt????

    We've seen Mayweather fight the Garcia's of the world, lets see him fight someone with different skill attributes.

    He said no to Khan, and he said no to Sergio Martinez who was willing to meet him halfway at 154 lbs, a weight Mayweather has fought in before.
    Those guys would not be stationary for Floyd so he said no.

    That's reality whether you like it or not!!!
     
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  12. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    I mention it all the time that Pacquiao's junior middleweight title is bogus against a molasses slow weight drained Margarito for a bogus vacant title and he had to load his wraps to beat him also.

    I cant really blame Pacquiao for not considering Martinez, he's to small and not skilled enough boxistically to have competed with a much bigger Martinez at the top of his game, though I heard Roach was interested once he knew Martinez's knee was shot, but it was to late for Martinez to attempt to make 154, so he lined up Cotto to face Martinez instead.

    That's what a cherrypick is, you look for a fighter to be vulnerable and even damaged goods, and then you go to want to make the fight.
    Both Mayweather and Pacquiao are guilty of it.
     
  13. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Is that meant as a jab? Elaborate? :lol:
     
  14. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Most fights were easy for him he was the favorite over everyone in the world 154 and down where have you been? None of these guys can beat him he was too complete he fought zab who was faster than him he fought tons of fighters bigger than him. People claimed pac was faster than pbf when anyone who knew boxing always knew pbf was faster and would beat pac to the punch all night long and i was proven rught when they fought. People think fast combo equals speed combos are irrelevant when fighting pbf because you can't land them on him. You think khans style hadn't been conquered? The same khan who went life and death with diaz and Algieri lmfao. Pbf would be the faster fighter in that fight to. The only guy that was faster than him was Judah he had the ability to beat pbf to the punch unlike khan who can't and would be taken apart and schooled. If pbf beat khan people would say khan was knocked out by presscott and Garcia big deal. Atleast Garcia is undefeated holds a win over khan and more accomplished.
    Your nitpicking is hilarious you give ggg a pass saying wouldn't you want to see pbf fight a guy he doesn't hold physical advantages against but are fine with ggg staying at 160. You're bashing a guy who fought in 5 weightclasses against elite opponents and is the best fighter of this era. You couldn't be more off base here.

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  15. The Shockmaster

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    this is utter horse feces

    williams was proven to be nothing special....quintana and lara outboxed him.....floyd better than both easily

    margarito...ive shown that floyd agreed to fight him....arum admitted it.....it was arums own fault that never came to fruition

    prime cotto? also arums fault...arum wouldnt let floyd near his fighters after he left because he knew it was certain defeat to a guy he didnt have in his stable......cotto even uttered "im not ready"

    wake up brother...before its too late.....stupid is no way to go through life