Lets compare Pretty Boy to Pacman in an ATG sense

I honestly feel Barrera, who was less reckless and more refined, was at or around his best when Pac beat him.

 

Floyd has one A-class win in a fight that was very, very close.

Pac has at least 5. Then when you consider he's fighting guys like Hatton and Cotto much further North than Floyd then of course Pac is way ahead.

I think Floyd is the better all round boxer but who knows how the styles will mesh...

Anyone who thinks that the size difference is negligible is wrong. Try some competitive sparring with someone bigger than yourself...

 

I dont know if you are being fair. Your last paragraph is my point really, maybe the size difference wasnt as big as originally thought. He has never looked at a strength deficit against any of his opponents, including Hatton or Cotto. What do you think?

 

He still looks sluggish too me, and completely naive as to what was about to hit him that night. I've maintained, Barrera could have beaten Featherweight Pacquiao with the right preparation, mindset, and strategy, but of course, he's developed into something different altogether these days. Back then, he was very beatable.

 

I feel he was a decent blend. I know you're a massive Barrera nuthugger (I don't blame ya, he was QUALITY and I'm the same with Arguello), but there's no way he'd beat the Pac that fought that night. It was hardly one-sided, Pac was just better. A more aggressive Barrera would've been stopped, and the later Barrera lost on points.

 

Calm down with that **** Fleaman, I'm not a nut-hugger. That implies I lose all sense of perspective whenever we're discussing the great man, and that would be untrue. Of course, he's my all-time favorite fighter and I'd rather watch him masterfully pick apart Naseem Hamed than watch the sunrise, but I like to think I know the man's limitations.

Go back and watch the tapes, there were so many openings on Manny that night, it's almost crazy to think Marco couldn't find a way to land more shots. If you believe his preparation was tainted, not really important, but Marco could have performed much better than he did, much like Duran often put in sub-par performances against Benitez and Laing.

 

pac repeated floyd's big wins in a much more convincing manner.
also against marquez pac was closer to finishing him , floyd was not .
pac overwhelmed him early floyd did not.
also hatton and delahoya. pac so more convincing.
also cotto , which the catchweight did effect , still floyd who is cotto's size ducked him and will duck pac at least according to himself currently.
pac rates higher p4p and even h2h despite his 2 stoppage losses which one of them was a low blow foul.

 

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I do think Manny would beat him whatever the circumstances.

 

I can't really disagree with that, Manny was great on the night.

 

Having the same debate with my best mate. I think of it like this. He's still at a disadvantage. If pac had been the natural welter and Cotto moved up from Feather then Pac would have finished it in the 3rd.

The fact that Pac makes it look like there is no advantage to the bigger man just proves what a great fighter he is.

I still expect Floyd to beat him though.

 

Fair enough. I look at it like this, and I know Floyd Mayweather does too. Its kind of like Felix Trinidad. He was always one dimensional somewhat, but his extreme punching power could offset most styles. As soon as he was on a more even playing field, some of his shortcomings were exposed meaning he was a welterweight with middleweight power.
If Mayweather completely dominates Pac, than I think this will confirm that theory. Personally I think Pac has more dimension to his game than Trinidad, but its going to be interesting to see how he deals with Floyd. The Cotto fight to me proved he is in fact a true welterweight, and something I always felt. I always thought he had welterweight power with lightweight speed. Now he will be facing everything he is and more against Mayweather. This will be the fight that establishes the P4P best.