Let's dabble into the Floyd Lover mentality, just a dabble...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by DINAMITA, Jul 10, 2008.


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  1. DINAMITA

    DINAMITA Guest

    This thread is about Floyd Mayweather and the Floyd Lovers, no-one else.

    Let's discuss Floyd Mayweather, and why exactly the Floyd Lovers love Floyd.

    I would like to dabble in the Floyd Lover mentality, so please allow me to dabble for a moment...

    I do not like Floyd Mayweather. I do not hate Floyd Mayweather. I am a boxing fan, and I think Floyd Mayweather is a talented fighter. I have appreciated his skills in his better fights (Corrales, Hatton), and noticed his limitations in his poorer performances (Castillo I, De La Hoya). I am not a fan of Floyd Mayweather- for purely boxing reasons. I believe he has carefully orchestrated his career in a way that guys (like Oscar De La Hoya, Manny Pacquiao, Erik Morales, Marco Antonio Barrera, and Miguel Cotto have not- these are examples off the top of my head who fought in the same era as PBF) have not. PBF was the bookies favourite for every single fight he ever had. He never took a fight that was so dangerous or so evenly-matched that it was 50/50 whether he would win or lose. He never took a fight with any other aim than money in mind. Whereas guys like the guys I mentioned above, have fought for pride, have fought to prove their greatness, PBF never fought like this. His career was carefully orchestrated with a strategy: Small Risk Big Reward. He wanted to retire undefeated. He wanted to pick up titles. So that when his career was over, he had left a legacy that gives the appearance of a great fighter. But this is not the reality if you look beyond the undefeated record and the belts.

    Floyd Lovers! Answer me these questions three:

    - NAME ME ONE SINGLE ELITE LEVEL PEAK FIGHTER THAT PBF FOUGHT. ONE.
    (anyone who saw De La Hoya fighting as a young man knows the DLH who fought PBF and Stevie Forbes is a shadow of the young DLH. A poor performance by the lazy PBF, still a decent win, no better. Corrales, Judah, Gatti- these guys were all pretty good, but no better. Ricky Hatton and Jose Luis Castillo are probably the best names on the resume, but anyone who saw the Collazo fight knew that Hatton couldn't cope at 147 and would be beaten. Castillo is the best name on his resume. Is this sufficient to go down in history as a 'great'? Is it?) Other P4P#1's: Roy Jones Jr fought Toney & Hopkins. Bernard Hopkins fought De La Hoya, Trinidad, RJJ, Winky Wright. Pacquiao fought Morales, Barrera, JM Marquez. Even regardless of the result, where is PBF's list like this?? Where are the HOF names? Where are the 50/50 fights, or fights where he wasn't even the favourite? So many questions, so few answers.

    -JOSE LUIS CASTILLO WON THEIR FIRST FIGHT. WATCH IT. SCORE IT. DENY IT???

    -FLOYD MAYWEATHER WAS NOWHERE NEAR AS GOOD AS P4P PREDECESSORS ROY JONES JR OR PERNELL WHITAKER. HE WOULD BE WELL BELOW THEM IN AN ATG P4P LIST.

    Let the dabbling continue...
     
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  2. PolishPummler

    PolishPummler Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    He's a ******* please excuse his ignorance.
     
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  3. Caper

    Caper How about a fair shake? banned Full Member

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    I would'nt mind discussing the topic but unfortunately I have never been one of Floyd's lovers. I'm a big fan of the man but I have never desired his company on a romatic level and probably never will. It takes more than pretty belts and flashy ring entrances to get in these pants. :smooch
     
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  4. saul_ir34

    saul_ir34 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Corrales i will give you. HE fought horribly that night though. I remember hearing he was having legal problems and that probably affected him.
    Hatton is not a good win. He is great at 140 but barely got past a B fighter in Collazo. I saw a loss for him in that one. Everyone who knows boxing knew Hatton had no chance.
    Castillo i will give him the second one. Not the first because i believe Castillo won. I have watched that fight so many times and get different scores all the time. None have PBF winning.
    Hernandez. OK the same one that DLH beat first. HMM ok he can have that one.

    Those names are all GOOD names but not GREAT names to have on a resume.
     
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  5. PolishPummler

    PolishPummler Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Oh man and you just signed up.

    Uneducated **** like this from them is common place around here.

    And there's always a alterior motive lying below the surface(PUMP up Manny as much as possible all the while trying to shred any type of competion through ignorant post's such as this)
     
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  6. dabox

    dabox Active Member Full Member

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    ahh there is a problemm
    once again at 130 mayweather ofcourse took on the old man with the name
    Hernandez but ofcourse forgot to fight fertias and casamayor who were good champions in their prime.

    at 135 he did good work with castillo and corrales agreed.

    140, he beat gatti(i love gatti but who top fighter does not beat gatti)
    but at time did not fight cotto and hatton.

    147 again beats an old man with a big name. de la hoya in a close fight....
    does not fight ANY of the best guys...cotto,williams,margaito, mosley,etc

    he is a cherry picker, who knew how avoid tough fights and pick up belts knowing out of 3-4 champions there will always be a weak link.
     
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  7. PolishPummler

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    I hate Floyd as much as the next person but when you take his whole body of work and not just knitpick a couple of fights you cant deny his resume.
     
    PolishPummler, Jul 10, 2008
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  8. DINAMITA

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    elite level peak fighters:

    Corrales- undefeated, world titlist, top 10 p4p
    Hatton- undefeated, champion, top 10 p4p
    Castillo- lightweight champion
    Hernandez- linear/wbc 130lb champion

    you=owned


    You=******ed.

    Corrales- good fighter as I said, but I doubt even his biggest fans would say he was ever a great on the level of a Hopkins or a Toney or a DLH or a Tito or a Morales or a Marquez.
    Hatton- Good at 140, poor at 147. Some guys just can't adapt to changing weights, that's a fact. Did you see the Collazo fight??
    Castillo- The best guy he fought... but Castillo won their 1st fight so what does that say?!
    Hernandez- decent, no better. The same guy that DLH had blown away when Hernandez was younger and better.

    You=****ed.
     
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  9. chriswrench

    chriswrench Active Member Full Member

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    Pre Hatton fight i could not stand Floyd Mayweather. However, I admired his skill and respected him for his achievements. After the Hatton fight I saw him in a completely different light. After all of the bravado dies down, just the man remains and he seems kind and genuine and was very gracious towards Hatton, even going as far as to say he envied his fan base. That aside. Mayweather is a fantastic boxer, certainly one of the best ever. He has fought top level opponent at every stage of his career: Hatton, De la Hoya, Baldomir, Judah, Gatti, Chavez, Corrales etc etc. The list is endless, Most of his opponents for the last decade have been former or defending titlists. You can argue that some may have been past their prime, like Gatti who held the WBC belt and hadn't been beaten since Micky ward 3 years prior. How does that eqate to a shot fighter might I ask? It is very easy for the nay sayers to beat the drum about Castillo having won the 2nd fight, where as in actual fact the judges (people who are actually paid to score fights), all favoured Mayweather on the night. I suppose arguements could be made for each fighter but the FACTS and the history books say different.
    Mayweather may not have the likable personality or the charisma of a Jones jr or an Ali/Clay but from debut to retirement he has made his job look easy and definitely deserves to stake his claim as one of the best to ever lace on the gloves.

    I never thought I would admit all of the above though. I am for my sins, a huge Ricky Hatton fan.
     
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  10. Caper

    Caper How about a fair shake? banned Full Member

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    I see Floyd has many lovers.....LOL! Polish ones, black ones, hispanic ones....the man is a melting pot.
     
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  11. DINAMITA

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    This thread is about Floyd Mayweather and the Floyd Lovers, no-one else.

    So why do all these people keep mentioning Manny Pacquiao?? This thread has nothing to do with him. Defend PBF's record against the things I have actually said, or say why u think PBF is so amazing, or just admit he isn't. There is no need for Floyd v Pac boring chat everytime someone criticizes PBF's record.
     
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  12. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    I guess linear champions are weak links?:patsch Get ****ed!
     
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  13. DINAMITA

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    once you quit jerking off to pac tapes and actually learn about the sport, then I might humor your simple ass.

    Why are you talking about Pacquiao?!??! What the **** does he have to do with the way PBF carefully chose all of his fights then got out before he had to mix it with the proper 147's??
     
    DINAMITA, Jul 10, 2008
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  14. Danny_Rand

    Danny_Rand Slick N Quick Full Member

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    Floyd Mayweather fight vs Oscar De La Hoya at 154 was a poor performance lol! Jesus you must know something, I mean every analyst of the sweet science called that a masterful performance by Floyd. Then again maybe it is all about the violence, Bum fights is one of the top videos on youtube so I could be wrong about what makes a great boxer, thats entertainment right?
     
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  15. Caper

    Caper How about a fair shake? banned Full Member

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    Pimp :shock:

    Are you just another notch on Floyds belt. Did he at least take you out to dinner.:?
     
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