Let's End This Debate: Was Spence 100% or Was Crawford Just Superior In Everyway?

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  1. BoxingIQ

    BoxingIQ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I've been going back and forth with how Crawford's win over Spence should be viewed and rated. On the one hand, I feel as though Crawford put on a masterclass of a performance. And on the other hand, just being objective, I can tell that something was drastically wrong with Spence, even before he entered the ring. Let's just look at the difference between the ring walks:


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    As you can see, Spence looked much more energized and "fuller" during the Ugas ring walk compared to his ring walk against Crawford. Now, I do not know what caused this. Maybe it was the weight cut, maybe it was the long layoff, or maybe there is something else going on with him that is associated with the accident. But one thing is for certain, that Errol Spence that went against Crawford was not 100 percent.


    Now, I’m not making excuses and I’m not trying to take away from Crawford’s greatness. Crawford is a special fighter and maybe a generational talent but name a performance from Crawford where he looked that dominant. No, seriously? One-legged Benavidez, out-the-door Shawn Porter, Kava, and Jeff Horn all did better than Spence. Does that not look suspicious to you? Guys who are a level or two below Spence were more competitive. Now, there are rumors that Crawford may have been juiced (his affiliation with Victor Conte doesn’t help his image.) but I am of the position that most top athletes are on PEDs (Yes, even your favorite boxer.)


    I’ve gone back and looked at all of Spence’s fights at 147 and all of Crawford’s and this fight just screams, “suspicious”. There are a lot of experts in the boxing community who are saying the same thing. So, what side of the fence do you stand on? Was Crawford just levels above Spence or was Spence not 100%? I personally think Spence was just weight-drained but I could be wrong.

    Note: I wouldn't be asking this question if it was competitive during the early rounds and Crawford came back and got a decision or TKO in the end.
     
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  2. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Crawford takes apart any version of spence
     
  3. Bofo24

    Bofo24 hobbyist Full Member

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    BOTH. Bud even had Spence's supposed advantages including size, physical strength, inertia, etc. The latter just had height, that was it. He was already tailor-made, and then on actual fight night, he had apparently nothing advantageous at all to compensate. Quite surprising, really.
     
  4. Austinboxing

    Austinboxing British Boxing fan Full Member

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    Crawford was astronomically better.
     
  5. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    Let's put this in perspective since some of you seem to reject valid context.

    -Spence's last fight came 16 months ago, and had only one fight in 28 months! That one fight he frankly looked mediocre and almost got knocked out by middle aged pillow fist in Ugas.
    -Obviously having one fight in 28 months is going to affect your performance, people denying that don't know ****, your reflexes will be slower and you won't be as sharp..this is really...really...really obvious stuff.
    -Spence got his brains scrambled in a car crash and has looked far from his best in subsequent fights, frequently getting buzzed and negatively reacting like spitting his gumshield out and turning away from his opponent. NOT a good sign.
    -Spence was clearly drained, he looked like a skinny sunken version of his usual self before he stepped into the ring. Clearly evident, and it is quite telling straight after the fight he explicitly referred to moving up to 154.
    -Inactivity, being drained and brain damage is not going to help a fighter perform to his best ability I'm afraid.

    Lastly, styles make fights...however...Kavalaiuskas who? , chinny shot Khan, part time commentator Shawn Porter were more competitive than this version of Spence. This in itself is quite clear evidence that the Crawford that fought Spence was FAR from 100%. Closer to 0 than 100.

    Yet we have cringy fanboys acting like Crawford is Pound for Pound no.1 ...

    Dumbasses
     
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  6. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    These are not excuses, at all. You raise all valid points. I don't think Crawford should be praised for the version of Spence he fought, that is just giving undue credit.
     
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  7. thehook13

    thehook13 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mix of both. But you cant take anything from Crawford. Epic performance.
     
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  8. senpai

    senpai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If you watch it without emotions and on mute, you can actually see just how good Spence is, it's just, Bud is great.
     
  9. Guerra

    Guerra Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think Crawford is just the better boxer.
    Does a prime Spence not stand in front of him like that though? I think he would always pick apart that come forward style with powershots and push him.around cause he is stronger.
     
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  10. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    I think post crash Spence isn't the force he was bu Crawford's a level above regardless. Interesting to look at the predictions on the British forum where posters have presumable been subjected to less hype around both men and they were majority for Crawford pre-fight.
     
  11. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Spence was weight drained, clearly. The way in which Crawford beat him though was clear and definitive. No version of Spence beats Crawford...styles make fights.

    Also, Spence has been a career WW. It's the only weight he's fought in the pros so he and his team are very familiar w the process. If Spence and his team didnt do what they were supposed to...thats on them. Clearly Derrick James dont give a fuc* about Errol since he wouldnt stop the beating.

    And Spence ducked Bud for years...so again this loss os squarely on Spence shoulders.
     
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  12. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Crawford was betting favorite for a reason. But BoMac kept saying how basic Spence was and, well, he was right.
     
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  13. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You a clown
     
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  14. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    Spence is a professional and has always boxed same weight 147. That is on him and his team not Bud.

    EJ looked drained and dry as an old lady’s hunt box waiting inside the ring for Bud.

    No excuses as Bud is the better man and Spence just helped Bud make it an easier night.
     
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  15. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ugas beat old Pacman (that beat undefeated Thurman) and arguably beat Porter. The fact that Ugas had essentially 1 good moment in the Spence fight says a lot about Spence.

    Dude is 33 years old w 28 pro fights. He's not an inexperienced prospect. He had a 15 month break when he fought Danny and a 16 month break when he fought Ugas...and 15 months later he fought Bud.

    Those breaks were the norm for Spence...

    What's your practicing physician number? Otherwise pls shut up w your excuse making @ss.

    No question he was drained - indisputable to me. But again he's 33 years old w 28 fights all at WW. Spence and his team shouldve known how to make weight safely and smartly. That falls squarely on Spence's shoulders for messing up in biggest fight of his career.

    Saying the some stuff twice dont make it right. Sounds like you lost money and are butthurt though tbh

    Oh well

    Yeah, def butthurt...lmfao. Crawford can do no right and Spence no wrong. Sorry you and your boy got V-I-O-L-A-T-E-D.

    It was funny when Spence and Thurman and Danny teased Bud saying he was wrong side of street for years. Then after years of ducking they all lose to him and, "oh, they were old" or "oh, they had injuries" or "oh, they were inactive".

    Shut your hatin @ss up and sit down