Let's End This Debate: Was Spence 100% or Was Crawford Just Superior In Everyway?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by BoxingIQ, Aug 11, 2023.

  1. Philly161

    Philly161 "Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless" banned Full Member

    Oct 25, 2020
    Ok Jim Garrison, the cell phone video of a jumbotron projection of a walkout? Yeah it's overexposed and blown out and that makes him look sickly.

    "He could barely walk!"

    He went 8 strait rounds getting pasted by Bud. This wasn't exactly Povetkin at the 2nd Whyte fight or Ali vs Berbick here.
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  2. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

    Sep 26, 2012
    I always said Spence was drained. That's his own fault though. The non-drained version of Spence ducked Crawford.

    Bud wouldve broken that boy at any time in their careers. Styles make fights
  3. CST80

    CST80 Liminal Space Autochthon Staff Member

    Nov 23, 2013
    Ultimately I don't think it matters all that much, because stylistically Bud would've always been a problem for and most likely beaten any version of Spence. Although I say that as someone who's never rated Spence's skillset all that highly and thought he lost to Porter and that he was a chinny protected weight bully. But for one to literally deny reality, and act like someone who's been struggling to make weight for a very long time, coming off of a year long layoff, who hasn't been reacting very well to the relatively light punchers, who survived a severe car accident where he was thrown from the vehicle and his head hit the ground with such force that he lost several teeth and suffered facial lacerations, and most likely some level of TBI (photo below). Who also happened to look like an unbalanced lethargic dried out high as a kite, walking cadaver both at the weigh in, during the ringwalk and in the ring. So much so, medical doctors have spoken out fearing he's suffering from brain damage and several trainers have encouraged him to hang it up for good because at best his quality of life, ar worst his life itself, may depend on it.... is perfectly fine. All because you so desperately want Bud to get full credit for a win. Then seek some professional help, because you're delusional.

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  4. box33

    box33 Boxing Addict Full Member

    Jul 25, 2021
    Spence is lucky just looking at that photo, the fact that his skin even healed up so well & better than one of my simple burn/cut is remarkable.
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  5. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

    Dec 18, 2019
    Agreed that Bud beats any version of Spence, but non-cadaver Spence most likely doesn't get brutally disfigured.

    Bud said Spence's best shot had nothing behind it. That's how drained and weak Spence was. I mean Spence has never been a massive puncher, but he did have above average pop.
  6. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Apr 4, 2005
    Did you say he looked sick or ill in the RBR during the ring walk or at the weigh in, no you did not, you like everyone else apart from Babality thought he looked fine, you're revising your opinion after the fact.

    I don't need to see the video, I saw the ring walk at the time, did not think he looked drained, just a bit apprehensive. If I looked at it now and then decided he looked drained it would be me being subconsciously influenced by the outcome and all the posts here saying he was drained.
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  7. BoxingIQ

    BoxingIQ Well-Known Member Full Member

    Nov 6, 2017
    That logic does not follow due to Crawford never having a dominate performance like that.
  8. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Feb 5, 2016
  9. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

    Dec 18, 2019
    The argument that no one said anything before or during and therefore he couldn't have been drained is absurd. You understand this, right?

    Count how many times I posted in that RBR.

    Honestly, I don't get what it is with you guys pumping up Bud. Y'all terrified and afraid to admit Spence was compromised.

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  10. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

    Sep 26, 2012
    Nobody ever stopped Porter, but Terrence did. It was a close fight unlike the Spence fight but styles make fights and Spence was tailor made for Crawford.

    People forget Spence looked like himself for 1.5 rounds. Spence won round 1 and bscene authors (who are owned by showtime and by extension are pbc nutboys) gave Spencer rd 1 and 3.

    Terrence Gatti'd Spence. There's levels to boxing and Spence never fought someone like Bud. Sobering taste of reality.

    Beating up old Floyd in sparring is also not at all like Crawford. Aside from being adept at in-ring adjustments Floyd and Bud have nothing in common. Unlike Floyd, Terrence is almost always willing to trade punch for a punch (as seen in Rd 9 KD1). Terrence has an inherent desire to inflict harm on opponents whereas Floyd was content potshotting although*** young Floyd was VERY similar to Bud. Not convinced Floyd's defense first approach was wholly from his hands deteriorating.

    Nonetheless Spence never fought someone remotely like Crawford so the logic remains linear
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  11. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

    Sep 26, 2012
    Its revisionist bull**** where these new ladymen try to save face a bit. Spence lost...BAD.
  12. Hi-Tech

    Hi-Tech New Member Full Member

    Nov 4, 2022
    Combination of both. But I still got Bud winning, it will just be a more competitive fight. More Floyd v Maidana than Floyd v Chico Corrales
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  13. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

    Dec 18, 2019
    Are you mentally ill?

  14. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

    Sep 26, 2012
    Spence looked drained to me. He also looked flustered like he didn't know what to do. Shame his team didnt GAF about him cause they didnt help him make weight safely, didnt train him plan A, B, C, and let him hang to dry when he was getting beat to death.

    But the best part is all the crybabies (like you) saying Spence lost because he was inactive, he had a TBI, he was too drained (he was drained imho but not DLH dead at the weight drained), and basically any excuse that morphs the reality of the fight. Which was Crawford beating Spence the **** up because he's better. Period.
  15. BeantownAll

    BeantownAll Well-Known Member Full Member

    Mar 5, 2018
    I'm not a Bud hater or a Spence hater. But Porter was probably sliding when he fought Crawford. Fighters who fight like Porter aren't know for having long primes.