Let's face it - Duran was the most complete, ever

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Manassa, Oct 11, 2011.


  1. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    well most people would never think Whitaker could keep a guy as great as JCC respectful but he did. And Ray Leonard kept Duran a step back in the rematch when Ray was getting good distance with Duran and landing with leverage, which has probably more to do with Duran not being succesful in the rematch than anything else. Most people say Duran is the reason Ray won that day, and do not mention Ray's footwork that day which was excellent.
     
  2. Manassa

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    Imagine Marvin Hagler stepping up in 1985 to beat Michael Spinks who, for the sake of argument, remained at 175lbs for another year than he really did. And before Spinks, Hagler had schooled Marvin Johnson and several other warm ups.

    Would't matter what the **** he did after that, you'd worship him forever. Especially if he went and beat someone like Ray Mercer in the '90s on top of it all.
     
  3. horst

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    Exactly. The context of Duran's fights is all too easily overlooked.
     
  4. horst

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    The best version of Duran was a much more potent force than the 1993 welterweight JC Chavez. And we know the advantages were all in Ray's favour in that second fight, he won because he was the better man, but at lightweight no-one would hold those same advantages over a prime Hands of Stone.
     
  5. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Salvador Sanchez was as complete a fighter as anyone I`ve ever seen tbh.
     
  6. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Only post prime though. And above his best weight division.
     
  7. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Duran was gifted, he was one of the best I have seen and the best lb4lb in the last 4 decades, his weakness was he did not rebound from his heavy post fight partying routine and was not consistently in condition...he was not always in shape to get in shape...and that is how Dundee nailed him in the Leonard Rematch and that is how he lost fights he should have won...still man had a remarkable career
     
  8. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Then you also have to imagine Hagler flat-out quitting in the rematch against Spinks, because Michael was making smily faces. Hagler would never do that.

    I also don't see how Duran rates 9/10 on speed, it would mean he is among or as good as the best ever in that category. I'd consider Tyson's punching power 9/10. I don't think Duran was as fast as Tyson punched hard.

    That all said, his performance against Leonard I was amazing. He was outgunned in the speed, power, size and athletic department, but still won.
     
  9. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hagler vs. Spinks = Duran vs. Hearns ,
    not Duran vs Leonard
    Which should remind u 1 of Duran's forgotten performances , much more humiliating than d "no mas" .
    And that what happened .
    Also , according 2 my "chin / punch resistance " criteria , he should be 8/10 if being generous .
     
  10. Manassa

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    You want to throw in that debacle, I'll raise you Cuevas & Moore equivalents for Hagler. Duran ****ed up, but he did rebound from it.

    But before we go down this road, this was meant to be a topic discussing physical in-the-ring traits rather than nobility. That's been done too many times.

    On Duran's speed and power, well, for me he was always right up there. A notch short of Rosario. Like Hagler, not quite a fully fledged jaw ******, but they could still bang you out with one shot if you weren't 100% reliable. His quickness always impressed me, I have to say, although I may be biased there. I'd concede an 8/10 for speed and punching strength combined.
     
  11. Hank

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    He won title with punch to the balls after bell

    10/10 testicle puncher
    9/10 punching after bell
     
  12. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    :good

    Otherwise you have to basically be perfect and go undefeated, and even then it's usually a mark against your competition (Or lost you, unofficially, e.g. Floyd Mayweather).
     
  13. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Very good argument for Duran being the most complete ever. Hes the most complete since Ive been watching starting back in 77. I dont see anybody beating him at LW.
     
  14. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    It's between Duran & Ezzard Charles as far as I'm concerned.
     
  15. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    He was a nightmare to face. In my limited amateur experience, I wasn't too fond of aggressive sluggers who wouldn't let you breath. But there was always the relief that they're either technically crude or have limited stamina, sometimes both. With Duran, that wouldn't be the case.. there's no escape.